Mast ferule need to match carbon content?

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nosinkanow
nosinkanow
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30 Nov 2010 5:19pm
I'm fixing a broken ferule on a Hypersonic 55% carbon mast, do I have to match the carbon content or it doesn't matter? I've got an old but structurally sound thick walled epoxy Ampro wave mast ('80s) that I am considering using for donor parts, will this be suffice? I don't care if it adds weight just concerned it may affect the curve or be a weak point due to lack of carbon content.
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
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30 Nov 2010 10:25pm
Bump....

This mast was given to me today and I'd like to start on it ASAP, will the above work OK?
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
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30 Nov 2010 8:15pm
nosinkanow said...

I'm fixing a broken ferule on a Hypersonic 55% carbon mast, do I have to match the carbon content or it doesn't matter? I've got an old but structurally sound thick walled epoxy Ampro wave mast ('80s) that I am considering using for donor parts, will this be suffice? I don't care if it adds weight just concerned it may affect the curve or be a weak point due to lack of carbon content.


I am pretty sure that the join is considered a non-bendy (TM*) part of the mast. If there wasn't a need for it to be there the manufacturers would be happy. You won't be able to get the same carbon composition as the manufacturers anyway as they use prepreg layups.

Are you using carbon at all or just fibreglass? How is the ferule joining to the existing part? Are you replacing the whole ferule, or just part of it?

I haven't tried repairing a mast, other than a wrap of carbon and glass around a cam-wear area, and I am not sure I would, but I guess it depends on where the damage is, and/or how far from the shore you sail.

As an alternative, I saw some Gun 460 55% masts reasonably cheap somewhere, although I am guessing you don't really want to buy a new one.

Pictures?
sausage
sausage
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30 Nov 2010 10:34pm
I repaired a broken ferrule on an 80% carbon SDM by using the tip off an old fibreglass mast and sleeving the inside of the ferrule. I tapered (sanded) the internal wall of the sleeve where it went into the bottom section of the mast so as not to unduly create a point load on the wall of the mast. Glued it in with epoxy resin and it seems to have worked a treat - have used it now around a dozen times in fairly testing conditions (it's my small sail mast). Whenever I rig it though I ensure the cracked ferrule (now filled with resin) is facing to the inside of the luff to ensure it is in compression rather than tension.
mathew
mathew
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1 Dec 2010 12:13am
Do you really want to test your "glassing foo" by determining how long you will spend swimming?
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
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1 Dec 2010 1:21am
FNova, it'll be a complete new ferule. All plugs and broken ferule in top section has been knocked out today. The donor part is fibreglass epoxy resin, it was a very tough mast in its day. I will glue the new ferule with epoxy and maybe double wall it as well, I'll match lengths with the broken bits internally and externally.

sausage, like you it will be my small sail mast as it's a 400 and is reassuring that yours works. Found some instructions on the net on how to do this but no specific mention of base material of the ferule. Just thought that alike materials will flex the same. I'll double wall the ferule...maybe. The top and bottom mast sections are intact and shows little use which is why I thought it worth while. I think the hardest part is going to be getting out the glued in broken ferule. Lots of gentle chipping and careful internal sanding sez the instructions.

I have 2 part epoxy glue (slow), that should be OK to glue the ferule in?
sideskirt
sideskirt
328 posts
328 posts
30 Nov 2010 10:33pm
I have my 60% C RDM mast repaired at joint with Dynema, works well...
DrJ
DrJ
ACT
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1 Dec 2010 10:17pm
Are 55% carbon masts that expensive, it's worth repairing them ? Personally I would not want a) the hassle of doing all the work, or b) take the risk that my dodgy home repair would stand up to the pressures of the downhaul and the wind.
sideskirt
sideskirt
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328 posts
2 Dec 2010 6:26pm
Mine 60%C was a 100€, repaired for 30€... didn't have a 100 for new one :D
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
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2 Dec 2010 11:52pm
DrJ said...

Are 55% carbon masts that expensive, it's worth repairing them ?


Why not? I love a challenge. :) I'm a DIY kind of guy with lots of tools, it's a new experience. If it breaks I swim if not I get to put my foot on top of it and beat my chest. ;)

Besides, the only sail I've got that will fit it is the one destined to be used for teaching my teenage kids.
DrJ
DrJ
ACT
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DrJ DrJ
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3 Dec 2010 5:08pm
That is a very reasonable explanation and fair enough ... Good luck hope all goes well.
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