Kona longboards - wave 10'5 - 11'5

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shi thouse
shi thouse
WA
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WA, 1159 posts
13 Feb 2011 9:48pm
From memory these boards are rarely mentioned, never for sale in the second hand gear and never seen on the water.

This would be because of:
a) they are crap to use;
b) it is such a small market that this topic is of little relevance;
c) they are great boards and people hang onto them and need not tell others;

Would like to hear some general feedback from any owners out there as to their opinions as to how they handle, what conditions they use them, construction...

Have been onto the Kona forum however would like to hear a Aust. opinions.

Jens
Jens
WA
348 posts
WA, 348 posts
14 Feb 2011 11:04am
I've got a Kona MT, and I wouldn't get rid of it. They are specialized boards that you'll use when the swell's up and the wind is really, really light. Mine stays in the shed most of the time, which is fine by me because it's only there for those special days. Then you're really glad to have one...I figure it'll last for years because it doesn't get used as much as a standard wave board in WA, doesn't get hammered in strong breezes, and rarely sees air time. In that way I hope it's there waiting for the light, big days for years to come.

Cheers, Jens
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
14 Feb 2011 11:19am
shi thouse said...

... never seen on the water... because of:


They are used in such light wind that you probably wouldn't even think about going to the beach hence you would never see one.

Sailed a Fanatic 10.5 SUP a few times throughout summer when it was super light but the swell was up. It's a while to get a hang of it but once you do it's great fun. It's a different type of wave sailing and you sure piss of most surfers as you pretty much manage to catch any wave from way out the back.
Waterloo
Waterloo
QLD
1497 posts
QLD, 1497 posts
14 Feb 2011 11:29pm
Depends on what floats your boat...

For mine, its c) with a little bit of b)

I have the 11.5 (170 litre) and the 10.5 (145 litre) and REALLY enjoy sailing them.

They are very versatile - light wind wave sailing, fun freeride board (surprising to gybe) and schlogg alright in lighter breeze. (+ SUP if you are on the light side).

I seem to top the 11.5 out at around 28.5 knots in chop so bit of skill will see 30kts+. (although it takes a bit to wind it up - Cadillac not a Ferrari)

Not a speed machine, nor rad wave shredder, just plenty of FUN.

They are also solid so no need to replace every year, I would only sell mine to update to the newer model.

I note John Ingebritson just won the Florida (=crappy side-on mush) wave comp on an 11.5...






shi thouse
shi thouse
WA
1159 posts
WA, 1159 posts
14 Feb 2011 10:43pm
Sweet pic Waterloo! They definitely look like that great wind alternative for those marginal days. The 11'5 has been on my radar for some-time and had almost considered the kite option for those light days. Having recently blown my knee out while windsurfing and am currently looking at a long-ish recovery + surgery I am now thinking the whole kite idea is not the way to go (learning to kite with a dodgy knee) and am instead looking at meeting that marginal wind day on these boards.

Do they get up on the plane al-right and what size sail would you need on a 10 - 14 knot day?



Waterloo
Waterloo
QLD
1497 posts
QLD, 1497 posts
15 Feb 2011 9:43am
(The photo is of JI not me)

For me they are not necessarily a light wind planing board as they are long and relatively skinny (70cm on 11.5 and 65cm on the 10.5 +US finbox) so they are more about glide then pump and pop. So if you are after waves then I think it's more about wave riding less about airtime.

In freeride I would carry an 8.0 in 10-14knts (@100kgs) but probably don't plane until the 13-14knt mark.

In the waves I think you can choose powered up or go more to a 5.5-6.3 for a more "surfing" set-up (I am no expert in that field, but that seems to be the go)

It might just be me but I would say that they are a little less technical and a little easier on the body as well. In fact I usually pair mine up with Hot Sails Maui semisoft SuperFreak Dacron sail and it's pretty easy on the body and still achieve 27.5 knots + 99% gybes - not blistering speed but still plenty of FUN...








Gidget
Gidget
NSW
104 posts
NSW, 104 posts
16 Feb 2011 12:40am
I have a Kona Surf and wouldn't part from it for quids. I go out virtually every day in any condition (on/off/side shore) in the surf. A very solid board for the surf bashing it gets. Before work in the mornings wind rarely gets above 10k (using a 6.7m Hotsail Maui Superfreak mostly in up to 15k, Ezzy 6.0 or 5.0 in 15-20k etc.), but have also been out in big (and I do mean BIG) wave surfing, and in strong winds up to 33k. Great wave board for the glide in longboard type waves, but doesn't do gnarly very well. Dead easy to get out through chop. Trial Bay has the best waves I have found so far. I also like sailing along the coastline in the surf zone. On low wind days, very zen experience going for a long sail out the back, with seagulls, rays and sharks for company, sometimes penguins and turtles. Often have dolphins tag along...I think they have become accustomed to my presence. Maxes out my time in the water. I also have a JP FSW, I surf a mal and shorter board, and also bodyboard, on those days when I want to take it easy.
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
NSW, 441 posts
16 Feb 2011 1:34am
There was a 10'5 on Seabreeze's classified only a few weeks back, it was sold in under a week to a very lucky sod! My feeling is that they are very expensive new around $2700 so wouldn't be selling like hot cakes, however if they feel the pressure from sailable SUPs cutting into their market they might do something...but I doubt it. What attracts me to them is their variety of uses and wind conditions. Waterloos got it made having both 10.5 and 11.5! Lucky bugger!!!!

SuperFreaks seem to be the sail many are getting for longboard wavesailing overseas and not heard of much locally. I had a look at Gidget's 6.7 and it is a sweet looking thing, luff has a separate panel unhindered by 2 battens above the boom. Perfect, less chances of getting back winded when on a wave! And the dacron is so quiet!

I'd love a 11.5 and a quiver of SuperFreaks from around 4.5 to 8.0, that'll keep me busy all year round....it'll take me all year to save up for them as well.
shi thouse
shi thouse
WA
1159 posts
WA, 1159 posts
15 Feb 2011 10:37pm
Nice review Gidget, sounds like you have the spectrum covered - thus being an issue that I have had with the sport for many years... how to maximise time on water. Like the idea of gliding along and getting in amongst the surf on those light wind ordinary days. Ta!
Jens
Jens
WA
348 posts
WA, 348 posts
16 Feb 2011 10:56am
Hi Folks,

The backwinded thing can be a problem on really light days. On last year's Abroholos trip we were really skunked for wind, but Corey and I had a crack at it. At 1st the wind was so light that my Ezzy 6.5 was getting back winded on the bottom turns- a really strange feeling, and not something that improves the ride! After a while it went away. Not sure if it was a technique thing or whether the wind picked up a notch. I think the idea is to generate some apparent wind on take-off by heading high and into the wind, and then you're usually OK. Later on that trip I learnt that the wave riding is really improved by limiting the sail size: a 5.5 made the board feel so much looser than the 6.5, and still got around pretty well.

Cheers, Jens
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
NSW, 441 posts
16 Feb 2011 6:14pm
I forgot to mention, that luff panel allows the sail to depower quicker when you need it to and a good thing when in wave riding.
Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
2115 posts
NSW, 2115 posts
16 Feb 2011 11:34pm
My fiend has the big kona and what's really surprising is how fast it is with 20 knots wind
gregc
gregc
VIC
1299 posts
VIC, 1299 posts
20 Feb 2011 6:14pm
Yep, pretty sure that was me that sold the 10-5 and it went pretty quickly. They are a great board, especially for someone that needs to get out on the water in less than ideal conditions. Mine hadnt been in the surf so I cant comment on how it would go. Regularly had a 7.5 or a 6.5 on it without much of a problem. The one thing I found was it was difficult to get into the straps, I have since changed over to a futura 133 and its way easier to strap up. I didnt give up the whole longboard thing though as I got a starboard 11-4 SUP with mast base holes in it. Awesome there is still something about just going for an extra long sail in little wind. Spent an hour and a half just touring around Jervis Bay over Christmas, the big change though is that I will only use a 5-8 or smaller on the SUP as its more a surfboard than a sailboard.

Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
20 Feb 2011 6:48pm
I went to trade-in my big w/surf board for a 2nd-hand Kona over xmas, but it had sold. Instead I picked up a 11'6" sup with mast base screw hole and although I've only rigged up on it once, I was stoked!

As mentioned above, I won't be getting air like that pic, as I don't think the sup's construction is made for it, but hope to get on some small surf and cruising on flatwater, which is what I used my big board for anyways. The diff is that my old w/surf board was crap in waves, the sup is pretty handy (for a pleb like me). Also, the paddling is keeping the wife & kids interested in the beach.
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