Looking at JP freestyle wave boards - any years that were duds? I want it for lake blasting with 6.6m + 7.2m cammed sails .Want comfort in chop..Looking around 107 -110ltres

I think 2000 or 2001 was the last time they had any real issues with the FSW. So i think u will be fine.

The JP FSW is still the only board i've manged to land a perfect back loop on!

Are you thinking wood or Pro construction?
For a large board as a light wind cruiser I'd go the pro edition for sure.
supposedly some ppl find woob better for chop though. I havent ridden a wood for a while but i never noticed the difference except how heavy the board was walking to the water.

I got all excited because the Jp website said they could carry 7m sails but then I researched more and they aren't cammed- NP Hellcats..Oh well another to cross off the list. bugger.Pity Tabou doesn't make a 110 ltre rocket..the 105 ltre may be too close to my 95..Are the xcite rides very fast?

Nah I'm certain Reg always used a 6.7 and 7.2 sails on the FSW. Cammed or not doesnt make too much of a difference.

To be honest it sounds like your really confused about your quives and you might have built it backwards.

Generally my smallest boards are wave ( for control in high winds) and largest are freeride/race (for light stuff) not vice versa.

What are you trying to achieve here? maybe we need a more wholistic breakdown of what u have and what your trying to achieve to give the best response.

Bertie said..

Nah I'm certain Reg always used a 6.7 and 7.2 sails on the FSW. Cammed or not doesnt make too much of a difference.

To be honest it sounds like your really confused about your quives and you might have built it backwards.

Generally my smallest boards are wave ( for control in high winds) and largest are freeride/race (for light stuff) not vice versa.

What are you trying to achieve here? maybe we need a more wholistic breakdown of what u have and what your trying to achieve to give the best response.

Sorry I didn't go into much detail as I've posted a few times what gear I have and assumed everyone knew .
I've got back into it in 2009.Ive built a motley collection over the years.I have to take what I can get in the budget price range so it's not what I'd have if I could pick and choose..( Mainly sail and mast wise-I wouldn't have cammed sails)..
I've got a 125ltre Tabou Rocket 2008
95 Tabou Rocket 2008
78ltre Tabou pocket wave early 2000's?
The sails I'll be using on the 110 - 105 ltre board when I get it are a 6.6m KA Koncept 2007 + 7.2m NS Sailworks not sure of the year 2010?
Once it gets to 5.8m weather I'll be on the 95ltre unless there are a lot of holes in it.
I want to use the board in gusty 10-18kts Ne off Coal Point Lake Macquarie.Coal can get feral chop but in those winds it probably shouldn't be too bad maybe 30cms but can get a bit confused off the point or when the wind has been up & down. I want the buoyancy to uphaul the 7.2m if the wind dies and it's sloppy but comfort in the chop.
I've recently got into GPS sailing- only learning but I will also be sailing through the chop a fair bit so I still want something comfortable.I'll do some runs in the flatter water behind the sand islands but don't want to be restricted to hiding in the flat water for comfort.
We can get 100m+ lulls on crappy days so I don't use my 95 as I hate slogging.
I use the 125 at the moment which is ok but once it gets up much over 15kts its a barge in the chop ( + 60 over my weight).
I don't want to get rid of the 125 as its my board to get out in 5-15kts when I'm desperate. I live 1 hr from the water so sometimes I drive down and it's died or not as good as I thought so at least I can still go out and practise gybes etc.
Female 64kgs intermediate.

If you're looking @ JP and it's more flat water but needed to have the calmness thru chop when it does wip up then you should consider a JP Supersport & pretty sure there is a 109/110ish version from about 2008. FSW have gone increasingly down the wave side of things so not great with cammed sails, the Supersport goes like the clappers but is not as forgiving in the turn as the FSW or the xcite but will leave them for dead in a drag.
In regards to Pro edition I find that the weight saving means it gets going quicker which is always a plus & to me they just seem to be sharper in allround response and ultra controllable when jumping.
I think you may be getting too tied up with volume alone - consider the board design brief.
FSW - wave/B&J - bigger sizes are for the bigger boys, it's still predominatly a fast, big jumping waveboard-ish.
Xcite - fun for all the family - it's like a hotted up Minivan really
SS - designed for supercross events, slalom racing with jumps, tricks & plenty of mayhem & must plane instantly.

AB....

OK, honestly i think your riding boards that are too big for your weight.
If your getting bounced around on a rocket 125 in 15knots then the board is clearly too big.
The rocket is one of the most forgiving ride in its catergory and deceptively fast. If you like the rockets then try and find a rocket 105.
Its more about the width of the board than the volume at your weight. the volume if only for uphauling in your case but detracts from many other areas your looking for performance. at 64kgs can you easily uphaul the 95L?
Mel used to ride the 95 rocket as her lightwind board as was the same weight as you.

but if you want fast I'd be going for an 85L FSW, and dumping the 78 and once it hits 20 knots ride the 85.

You say ur loving the GPS thing. What I found doing it was if I was comfortable I could push my limits and go faster. I was never great but my PB 2sec was in seriously rough water on a tabou manta. The deep double concaves gives the best possible ride in rough chop. The manta like the rocket are actually slower in the flat water. A small freestyle wave for the windy stuff will give you the control you want to push the boundarys and the JP with its power box means u can still interchange fins with your tabou boards.

I lost ya there I'm sure. too many ideas in one post.

PS the newer supersports (2011 on i think) have a deep double concave in the nose and the nice ergonomic foot pads, so you can easily consider them but thay will be a touch more racey than your rockets.

Bertie said..

OK, honestly i think your riding boards that are too big for your weight.
If your getting bounced around on a rocket 125 in 15knots then the board is clearly too big.
The rocket is one of the most forgiving ride in its catergory and deceptively fast. If you like the rockets then try and find a rocket 105.
Its more about the width of the board than the volume at your weight. the volume if only for uphauling in your case but detracts from many other areas your looking for performance. at 64kgs can you easily uphaul the 95L?
Mel used to ride the 95 rocket as her lightwind board as was the same weight as you.

but if you want fast I'd be going for an 85L FSW, and dumping the 78 and once it hits 20 knots ride the 85.

You say ur loving the GPS thing. What I found doing it was if I was comfortable I could push my limits and go faster. I was never great but my PB 2sec was in seriously rough water on a tabou manta. The deep double concaves gives the best possible ride in rough chop. The manta like the rocket are actually slower in the flat water. A small freestyle wave for the windy stuff will give you the control you want to push the boundarys and the JP with its power box means u can still interchange fins with your tabou boards.

I lost ya there I'm sure. too many ideas in one post.

PS the newer supersports (2011 on i think) have a deep double concave in the nose and the nice ergonomic foot pads, so you can easily consider them but thay will be a touch more racey than your rockets.

More like 18kts when the wind has been up and chops up.If its consistent 18kts Id be on my 95 but I want this board for when there are bigholes but still a bit choppy - our most common conditions in summer.
I can uphaul the 4.8m on the 95 and probably the 5.8m but I haven't tried the 6.6m and I'm sure the 7.2m would be a handful as it can be a handful for me on the 125ltre in slop and 15kts+.
Can't afford to upgrade my whole kit ( unless I win lotto ) so trying to get the best out of what I have . I want TOW so will go out in crappy conditions if it means getting a sail.
Tempted by the 105 rocket but worried be too close in size to my 95? ...?
I'm thinking of needing to uphaul in slop when the wind dies to 10kts that's why I'm thinking larger than the 95 with the big sails.I also find the cams are always popped the wrong way when i fall in and I haven't got the strength to pop them back on the larger sails so I prefer to uphaul instead.As a result it can also be quite windy when I'm trying to uphaul so I want a relatively stable platform.
I like the idea of a wider 105 ltre slalom type but then it probably wouldn't like the chop?

vosadrian said..

I have a FSW 92 09 model (recommended max sail of 6.5). I would be cautious with sail size. I regularly run mine with a 6.2 hellcat, but I have to fuss around a lot with the rigging and setup to get comfortable, and it only really feels comfortable when it is well powered up so I could have gone smaller anyway. Of course you can persist with larger sails on it and get going, but you are always moving your feet around to get balanced... OK in consistent conditions, but not much fun in gusty winds. I have run my 7.0 Hell cat on it, and I regretted that.

With my old 5.0 Gaastra Pulse, it is magic and feels great, but you need 20+ knots for that!! :)

It is a quick board, and I have hit around 34 knots on it with the 6.2 Hellcat and a weedy at Canton. I normally get a 2s over 30 knots on a half descent day at Kyeemah. It also gybes great, and I find it one of the easiest boards to come out planing on. It is good in chop but it is a lively board and is easy to jump, so if you find yourself overpowered, it can get a bit of a handful to keep the board on the water in chop. It is however great when you are well powered and in control if you can handle the liveliness of the ride.

Thanks.Doesn't sound like what I'm after then.

SBC. You need to ask somebody your weight/height/style (or approximate). Heavy sailor advice is no good for you in my opinion. My advice may not be any good either (I'm 70kg, under powered sailor).

A 107-110 FSW board is a big for me. I don't think I would have a problem using a cammed race sail with this size as long as it had outward strap positions (your original question).

I have a 109L Supersport, and is too uncomfortable to use in the ocean during summer seabreezes. For me, this big board is lake only (used with a 6.5 Code Red), and in 20 knot winds, the SS has that, "it's trying to kill me" feeling (See my avatar.. but I guess for most speed guys, that's where the fun begins ).

My 85L FSW is a completely different board (see my other avatar - in profile). It only works with the straps inside (only the back straps can be moved outwards), and I ride it with the front foot and the sail upright. Completely different style to slalom/freeride etc where you ride the fin. If you ride this board like a freeride/slalom board, it will spin out, won't go upwind, and go off the plane. This board is feels like crap on the lake, due to the gusty wind.

Me personally, I would still find a 107-110 a handful (rocker or no rocker) on a choppy lake with winds 20 knots.

BUT.. that's me, and I don't sail in your locations.

If you want accessible speed in chop then look at fanatic hawk. The models of a few years back are narrower an well behaved in chop and gybe well.

You shouldn't need to up haul a 4.8 or anything even a metre more, revisit your technique !