Is the S-1 the wrong sail for me?

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YoakNor
YoakNor
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9 posts
28 Aug 2016 10:14pm
Hi guys

New to this forum, but been reading it for a while.
I hope someone can give me some input.
I got back to windsurfing 2 years ago after borrowing a RRD 125L (think it was Firemove)and an Ezzy Cheeta 7.5
I loved it and quickly bought a Loftsail 7.3 Oxygen, this is a perfect size for summer surfing here in Norway.
Initially it took me a few days to get to like the Oxy, I couldn't seem to rig/tune it right, but now I really like it.

It was time to buy my own board and I wanted something smaller , so I got a RRD FSW 96L 20113 model (I´m 73kg), got a great deal second on a Severne S-1 5.7 and Blade 5.3 with a 75% gorilla mast (2013 models)

I took the S-1 out in about 8-9 mps (16 knots), but I had a hard time to get it on the plane. The wind was a bit uneven. When I did, the sail never felt comfortable, and I tried to tune it different ways, moving harness straps etc.
I never felt I "cracked the code".
I now realise the S-1 might not be for me, or is it just a matter of tuning and getting used to? I have a 28cm fin that came with the board.

Any tips and pointers would be appreciated.

PS I can water start, and sometimes pull of a high speed carving jib. Jibbing is not a problem


curac
curac
WA
1160 posts
WA, 1160 posts
28 Aug 2016 10:49pm
Play with the sail and how it rigs, I can't remember for the 2013, But sails don't always rig exactly To what is printed on them and they stretch over time. ( as do all sails)

Rig it it so the leech looks right and don't pay attention to the luff too much.

I was once confused by the specs and was thinking the sail had now power but then I rigged it to how I thought the foil should look and it had plenty of Grunt
Magic Ride
Magic Ride
719 posts
719 posts
29 Aug 2016 1:44am
Sounds like you might want a larger fin than a 28 cm for around 16 knots and a larger sail too. Then you might be planning at 16 knots. That being said, 96L board doesn't seem like enough volume to me for 16 knots of wind. I am usually on my 115L, 65cm wide board with a 6.0 sail fully powered up with a 34cm fin, blasting along in 16 knots of wind.
YoakNor
YoakNor
9 posts
9 posts
29 Aug 2016 3:35am
Hi

Thanks for posting. I guess I'll try to be a bit more patient and.
I will try my Blade as well next time. I haven't tried it yet, not enough wind.

I think you are right about the board and fin size. I don't have the bigger board where I am at the moment.

I will try a bigger fin next time
Vince68
Vince68
WA
675 posts
WA, 675 posts
29 Aug 2016 5:39am
I'm the same weight maybe minus 1kg but have the same board. Great board BTW. As Magic Ride said, bigger fin but definitely a bigger sail. Look for something around 6.5m freeride. I find i need 18kt+ wind for my 5.8m
Al Planet
Al Planet
TAS
1548 posts
TAS, 1548 posts
29 Aug 2016 12:10pm
That S1 is a very wavesailing focused sail that is going to feel quite different to your standard freeride rig particularly in gusty conditions.
John340
John340
QLD
3410 posts
QLD, 3410 posts
29 Aug 2016 1:04pm
If you are not planning in 16kts then do one or all of the following:
- larger board - 105 litres
- larger sail - 6.5m2 try a NCX rather than the S-1
- larger fin - 33mm

You may not need all of the above - the sail and fin increase may suffice


Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
29 Aug 2016 4:58pm
Al Planet said..
That S1 is a very wavesailing focused sail that is going to feel quite different to your standard freeride rig particularly in gusty conditions.



+1 and I expected to see many responses along those lines.

I think the very short blunt answer is yes. Sorry

jn1
jn1
SA
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jn1 jn1
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29 Aug 2016 7:53pm
YoakNor said..


Yep. I felt the same way with my 2013 4.7 S-1. I used it a season and decided it wasn't for me. My experience was exactly like yours, but some people like them a lot. (having said that, I was running a sightly soft top mast in it.. it will be interesting to see how it goes in my pure CC masts this season).

Late last season I got hold of a 2015 4.7 Blade Pro. 1st run I knew this sail suited me. After a few tweaks, it was even better. Maybe you should try the Blade or Blade Pro ?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
29 Aug 2016 6:35pm
^^ wave sails for freeride use... in barely powered conditions and a FSW

I'd not pick any wavesail...




racerX
racerX
463 posts
463 posts
29 Aug 2016 7:39pm
I have a somewhat similar setup.

I have blades 5.3 and down which are my main sails I use on my 100 and 80 L freestyle and wave boards. However I still have a older 5.6 S-1 that I use and like. I only use this in light winds, what I like about it is rig it with a slightly tighter leech, its very stable clew first, and a very light sail for the wind range I use it in. i.e. I use it to improve my manoeuvring skills, otherwise I will get onto the 5.3 ASAP.

I like to reference the position of the batten above the boom without outhaul tension versus looseness of leech, particularly with the s-1 I have which are more sensitive to down haul, because of the repeatability of that approach.

If you just want to go fast in light winds, trade the 5.7 towards a 7.5M and ~70cm wide blaster, like your wise friend has


LeeD
LeeD
3939 posts
3939 posts
30 Aug 2016 12:50am
I beg to differ......
Wave sail of 5.7 is one of the IDEAL sails for winds of 14-19 mph.
BUT BUT, it's way too small for easy early planing, for top speeds, and for powered jibes.
If you had bought a slalom sail, 5.7, for 16 knots, it would not come close to planing, since it's made for 28 knots of wind.
If you had bought a freeride sail, 5.7, for 16 knots, it would barely plane you up, since it's made for 19 knots of wind.
So, you bought the best possible sail in 5.7, for light winds. A 5.7 wave sail is designed for the lightest possible WAVE SAILING winds, which is around 16 knots on small boards and PLANING conditions.
YoakNor
YoakNor
9 posts
9 posts
30 Aug 2016 3:19am
Thanks for all the input guys. Looking back I also have a feeling it was less wind than the forecast/weatherstation said. It was a new place for me so it was difficult to tell.
I'm used to sail that 7.3 very overpowered as its been the only sail I had last year. It's still kind of summer up here in Norway, so the really windy days are yet to come. Tempted to try the 7.3 on the 96l, but I guess it's a bit too big.
I started to look for a 6.5 sail, I see that I can rig a Gaastra Matrix 6.5 on my 460 Severne 100 mast, so that's pretty tempting. Problem is that it's just after the summer holiday and money is a bit tight right now.
jn1
jn1
SA
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jn1 jn1
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30 Aug 2016 7:26pm
Mark _australia said..
^^ wave sails for freeride use... in barely powered conditions and a FSW
I'd not pick any wavesail...

I'm his weight, and blast around on 16 knots on a 85L FSW and either my 4.7 Gator or 4.7 Blade Pro. Not for everyone: some people (my weight/height etc) couldn't do that on my gear, but I can. Although this is a seabreeze 16 knots. Winter 16 knots is a different story.
YoakNor
YoakNor
9 posts
9 posts
4 Sep 2016 12:33am
Not one day of wind since first posting this. I got my 7.3 back and might try that out on the 96l of we never get any proper wind up here anytime soon
Magic Ride
Magic Ride
719 posts
719 posts
4 Sep 2016 2:37am
We are getting 20-25 NW winds today in Oregon, but I said a prayer to the Wind Gods last night.
YoakNor
YoakNor
9 posts
9 posts
4 Sep 2016 5:03am
Happy to hear that at least someone is getting on the water
raggy
raggy
VIC
564 posts
VIC, 564 posts
4 Sep 2016 8:33am
I'm 73KG's and blast around on a 97L Nash and an old 4.5 Revolver, admittedly i stay away in less than 16 kts but that's OK. i do tend to run a larger fin which seems to work?
YoakNor
YoakNor
9 posts
9 posts
5 Sep 2016 10:58pm
I got offered a 2013 Gaastra Pilot 6.0 for a very good price, but is that a beginners sail, or just a cheaper version of the Matrix? It´s a bit confusing on their website
boardsurfr
boardsurfr
WA
2463 posts
WA, 2463 posts
7 Sep 2016 4:09am
YoakNor said..
I got offered a 2013 Gaastra Pilot 6.0 for a very good price, but is that a beginners sail, or just a cheaper version of the Matrix? It´s a bit confusing on their website


Buy it! I have a Pilot 6.5 from the same year, and loved it. Sailed it until it started falling apart. Replaced it with a 2015 Matrix 6.5, which is fine, but I actually like it less. That's partly because the older Matrix sails had more top end, the new one does not (a test in a German surf magazine described exactly what I felt about the sail).

If you get the Pilot, keep in mind that it needs trim adjustments when the wind changes. Adding more outhaul when the wind picks up can give you a decent wind range.
philn
philn
1109 posts
1109 posts
7 Sep 2016 4:46am
YoakNor said..
I got offered a 2013 Gaastra Pilot 6.0 for a very good price, but is that a beginners sail, or just a cheaper version of the Matrix? It´s a bit confusing on their website


I had a Gaastra Pilot 6.5 from around 2009/2010. Was a pretty nice sail, felt like an oversized Poison wave sail, just lighter made.
YoakNor
YoakNor
9 posts
9 posts
8 Sep 2016 11:56pm
The 6.5 is really the size I want. Thats what holding me back. Might still get the 6 though.
Any tips on fin size, or is it just a matter of *5 the sail size?
Mark Horn
Mark Horn
WA
32 posts
WA, 32 posts
11 Sep 2016 10:47am
I agree with the comment above if you want a small sail then a wave sail will get you planing faster than any other style of sail. The S1 5.7 should get you planing in 16knots easily but it's not a grunt sail it's an efficient sail. Just sheeting in against the fin will not work. You will need to bare away a little and build the apparent wind then you'll be set. I'm 75kg and would have an 85l wave board planing easily with that sail (I had an old S1 5.7 until I went completely through it last time out and it worked brilliantly on both my 85l wave boards in 15knots). I also found the S1s don't need a super floppy leech. Certainly the sail needs to vent nicely but it's not extreme
YoakNor
YoakNor
9 posts
9 posts
11 Sep 2016 3:45pm
Thanks for the input. I might have been a bit to passive, being used to the 7.3 on a 125l where I usually just hang into the harness and speed away. It's been pretty flat water where I tried the sail a few times, so no small waves to help me up to speed either. Today was supposed to hit 22 knots, but the wind was predicted to be 10 knots by 10am and with a 1h15m drive to an easy wave spot, I wouldn't make it in time. It's pretty dim light 8am up here already when it's over cast
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
11 Sep 2016 9:14pm
Magic Ride said..
We are getting 20-25 NW winds today in Oregon, but I said a prayer to the Wind Gods last night.


The God is , Wonda The Wicked Wind Woman.
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