Insulating the floor of my van?!?

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migosa
migosa
24 posts
24 posts
11 Aug 2008 11:22am
Hi guys, need some advise here. I am transforming my van, and need to know a good material to insulate the floor of the van. Been to bunnings and they had no clue of what I was talking about. Basically, I need to cover the floor of the van with some material that will both insulate the noise and also give some uniform surface where I can screw the plywood sheets.
Does any one know about a good material to do that, and where can I buy it?

Thanks

Miguel

Spotty
Spotty
VIC
1619 posts
VIC, 1619 posts
11 Aug 2008 2:21pm
For serious sound insulation and or sealing the floor pan in the rear of a van goto auto shop for 'sound deadener/bitumen paint?' could be $$ and best sprayed on. Its not designed to even out the hi/lows just reduce noise and seal, use timber packers for that if support for the ply floor is needed.

If your putting ply down with rubber backed carpet or rubber mat I wouldnt bother, it should be enough to reduce road noise if fixed down, just put 'Fish oil' on the floor pan first then your ~8mm ply/carpet floor. This will seal the pan and help inhibit rust.

Re Van floors not having uniform surface, the high ribs should be at the same height, thats where you want to tech screw your ply down, just check below first and use the right length screw to do the job. Besides its the plys job to provide the uniform surface. Depending on the thickness of the ply it will flex in one direction more than the other, so run it perpendicular to the ribs to reduce flex. Idea is to use the lightest ply to do the job, no point lugging extra dead weight around save that for your gear.

If your routing cabling below the floor make sure you don't pinch/crush it.

cheers
frant
frant
VIC
1230 posts
VIC, 1230 posts
11 Aug 2008 2:27pm
Spotty said...

For serious sound insulation and or sealing the floor pan in the rear of a van goto auto shop for 'sound deadener/bitumen paint?' could be $$ and best sprayed on. Its not designed to even out the hi/lows just reduce noise and seal, use timber packers for that if support for the ply floor is needed.

If your putting ply down with rubber backed carpet or rubber mat I wouldnt bother, it should be enough to reduce road noise if fixed down, just put 'Fish oil' on the floor pan first then your ~8mm ply/carpet floor. This will seal the pan and help inhibit rust.

Re Van floors not having uniform surface, the high ribs should be at the same height, thats where you want to tech screw your ply down, just check below first and use the right length screw to do the job. Besides its the plys job to provide the uniform surface. Depending on the thickness of the ply it will flex in one direction more than the other, so run it perpendicular to the ribs to reduce flex. Idea is to use the lightest ply to do the job, no point lugging extra dead weight around save that for your gear.

If your routing cabling below the floor make sure you don't pinch/crush it.

cheers


Agree with above except glue the ply down with liquid nails and do away with the scews as these will ultimately cause rust underneath where they poke through the underseal.
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
11 Aug 2008 2:49pm
Windsurfing kit is a good sound deadener.The more i put in my van the quieter it is.
Seariously i wouldn't go putting down a false floor.Just creates a place for sand and moisture to sit.Better off spraying some sound deadner on (the stuff that dries hard).and have a light mat in there.Then you can just hose it out every now and then.Fish oil is ok but it attracts sand....
migosa
migosa
24 posts
24 posts
11 Aug 2008 1:03pm
thanks for all the help.

miguel
migosa
migosa
24 posts
24 posts
11 Aug 2008 1:03pm
Hi guys,
thanks for the all the help

miguel
arancini
arancini
WA
373 posts
WA, 373 posts
11 Aug 2008 3:02pm
there is a roof and wall insulation material called "air cell" a strip of this cut to the correct size, maybe doubled up will add protection, (its a foam rubber backed silver foil) and could easily be removed. You maybe able to pick up a piece the size you require from the local building site bin.
keef
keef
NSW
2016 posts
NSW, 2016 posts
11 Aug 2008 6:38pm
for a cheep job go back to bunnings and get some packers, there 10mmx2,400x1,200 chip board for about $5 each, and use some rubber flooring, i have 5ply on mine, they allso have craftwod or mdf they use them on there palets for protection during transportation so they sell them cheep rather than shiping them back
nbr
nbr
QLD
298 posts
nbr nbr
QLD, 298 posts
11 Aug 2008 8:32pm
Hey Miguel I may be able to get some conveyor belt rubber that is good for flooring in utes.I'll ask at work for some used stuff.
Cheers Nigel
MavericK040
MavericK040
WA
583 posts
WA, 583 posts
12 Aug 2008 7:32pm
I am also needing to do the floor of my van , being a car stereo nut i know of a product called DYNAMAT its used to reduce road noise and absorb vibration ,

its like a sheet of aly foil with a black tar like stuff on the back so it sticks to the surface and stays there.

it will not let any road noise thru and because its stuck to the floor it should protect it from rust aswell.

as for the floor, make it in 2 or 3 pieces separated laterally so you can remove them for washing and rust inspection.

the only downside i can see with this is that its quite expensive at about $500 for the back floor of a lwb hiace its also a bit on the heavy side because it is rather dense.

but i guess if it stops the rust then its cheap insurance for your van
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
12 Aug 2008 8:02pm
MavericK040 said...

I am also needing to do the floor of my van , being a car stereo nut i know of a product called DYNAMAT its used to reduce road noise and absorb vibration ,

its like a sheet of aly foil with a black tar like stuff on the back so it sticks to the surface and stays there.


I went the cheaper option and just used flexible underbody sealer/tar in my doors. As someone else suggested it works well. The only problem I found is that it gets pretty sticky on warm days if you are working on the doors. It really dampens the doors though, and you can spray on as much as you want.

For the back of one of my station wagons I also used a sound deadening mat that had a layer of bitumen in between two layers of cotton. It seems to work pretty well too, but I wouldn't use it on the floor of a van incase it soaked up salt water like a sponge.

GazMan
GazMan
WA
848 posts
WA, 848 posts
13 Aug 2008 12:47am
Hi Miguel,

Check out some Aussie made automotive sound absorbing materials at the following link:

www.spec-net.com.au/pyrotek/sound.htm

I used a similar material many years ago to insulate a highly modified and noisy Ford Transit van. I used it on the floor under the carpet and on both sides of the firewall and engine cover. Made a big difference noise wise and didn't stink like some of the bitumen based matting I've tried.

Also try auto accessory shops or auto upholstery shops, they may have similar products.


JonathanC
JonathanC
VIC
1024 posts
VIC, 1024 posts
16 Aug 2008 10:44am
I had the whole floor, wheel arches and sides up to about 300mm done with Rhino polyurethane in my new VW LWB transporter. This is the stuff they do utes with, completely waterproof layer about 6mm thick that also really helps cut the noise. Cost about $1200 but they had to sand the whole area to make sure it adheres properly, three years on it is still perfect. http://www.rhinolinings.com.au/automotive_ute.asp
migosa
migosa
24 posts
24 posts
16 Aug 2008 10:32am
Hi guys

I end up going to a local rubber and foam store where they recommend me some type of rubber/foam/mat kind da stuff (which I don’t know the name). They ensure that it’s good for noise and temperature insulation, tough not the best if water gets in. But since I am putting a 3mm layer of plywood on top of that plus a marine carpet on top of everything I hope little water reaches the mat.. Not being perfect it should be good for some years. The good point is that it was rather cheap 39.95sm.
Anyway thanks for all the advices

Miguel
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