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knot board
knot board
QLD
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QLD, 1241 posts
14 Nov 2008 1:54pm
It's time to replace my harness and I'm giving serious thought to getting an impact/bouyancy vest at the same time.

I want to ask if anyone is currently using a combination harness and impact vest for windsurfing?

These three models are marketed as being for kitesurfing but the Dakine can be ordered with a spreader bar specific for windsurfing.

The Dakine Impact-Harness looks pretty good but are proving hard to get
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The Pro-limit Impact-harness is a bit cheaper.
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Naish also make one
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Please discuss the advantages and disadvantages of these products.





NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
14 Nov 2008 2:34pm
Whoo... macho. Do you get a gun and badge with that?
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
14 Nov 2008 2:34pm
Apart from them being waist harness which I don't mind for bump & jump they look the goods. I would probably opt for the prolimit one given that it looks like it'd be a bit quicker to get out of in an emergency.

I might actually consider one of these for my next waist harness, as I wore my weight/impact vest (minus weight) last week with waist harness and it was giving me the sh**s.
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
14 Nov 2008 2:54pm
One of my mates has the dakine one and loves it. He was learning to waterstart when he bought it and I reckon it sped up the process cos he wasn't spending all his energy swimming, the vest was doing some of the work.

They probably restrict movement a little bit, but it wouldn't really be a problem unless you do mostly wave sailing or freestyle.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
14 Nov 2008 4:58pm
Can anyone comment on whether these impact harnesses are more like chest or waist harnesses in movement and stance? I think Neil Pryde also makes one too.

I am looking at getting a windsurfing type product as a Christmas present and something like this could be the go.


Zed
Zed
WA
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Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
14 Nov 2008 3:05pm
u wouldnt want to be wearing one if you're going to be wave-sailing
FlickySpinny
FlickySpinny
WA
657 posts
WA, 657 posts
14 Nov 2008 3:16pm
I used the Da Kine one for ages (previous version). One word - awesome.

I'm pretty dense (yeah yeah), so I sink even in saltwater (without a wetsuit), so a bit of extra floatation was great. Spent a season sailing in Egypt with one, no issues with being able to unhook, being unwieldy, etc. Great bouyancy, great for learning to waterstart, great protection from back-slaps when learning to loop... all-round recommended. I'd still be using mine if it wasn't in Egypt with the ex!

It also probably prevented a couple of hitting-the-mast-with-my-ribs injuries / bruises...

Thinking about it, I'm about to start trying Shuv-its... I'd quite like one again because I'm certain I'm gonna wind up on the boom pretty hard at some point.

As Zed said, probably no good for waves though.

EDIT - acts like a normal waist harness, not restrictive for freestyle (IMO)

EDIT1 - Love Da Kine stuff too, built to be bomb-proof. Never had anything DK fall apart until it had taken far more abuse than it should have done. Harnesses, backpacks, travel bags, everything. Build quality is simply superb from my experience. And no, I don't work for 'em

Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
14 Nov 2008 4:42pm
FlickySpinny said...

EDIT1 - Love Da Kine stuff too, built to be bomb-proof. Never had anything DK fall apart until it had taken far more abuse than it should have done. Harnesses, backpacks, travel bags, everything. Build quality is simply superb from my experience. And no, I don't work for 'em




Just don't buy their adjustable harness lines
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
14 Nov 2008 6:55pm
Leech said...

FlickySpinny said...

EDIT1 - Love Da Kine stuff too, built to be bomb-proof. Never had anything DK fall apart until it had taken far more abuse than it should have done. Harnesses, backpacks, travel bags, everything. Build quality is simply superb from my experience. And no, I don't work for 'em




Just don't buy their adjustable harness lines


Oh no
I did when my NP ones broke.
I note that the piece that broke on the NP was plastic, on the DaKine is ... something metallic (alluminium?).

As something else to note the little toggles that you pull to adjust the Dakine lines fit perfectly into the dakine spreader bars, and could be a death trap. I've wrapped taped around the spreader bars where they can slide in and get stuck.
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
14 Nov 2008 5:21pm
I went through 3 sets (kept getting them on warranty). There's stitching that holds the rope into the webbing and this gave out each time (within 3 months).

I sent an email to Dakine pointing out the design flaw but got no response.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
14 Nov 2008 6:23pm
do you definately want a waist harness?

the KA vest works really well. but it only suits seat harnesses.
airsail
airsail
QLD
1598 posts
QLD, 1598 posts
14 Nov 2008 9:06pm
Just a word of caution, all the harnesses pictured are designed for kites, the difference is the hook. On a kite hook it is wider at the tip, the sailboard harness hook is parallel. If you get twisted under the sail, quite common, you can still unhook from a sailboard hook. Because the kite hook is wider at the tip you can possibly be locked there.
There is normally a warning sticker on the hook stating for kiteboarding only. Dakine sell the spreader bars seperately so just ask for a sailboard one. Dakine also make an impact vest which works well with a seat harness, a great help for learning fowards.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
14 Nov 2008 11:48pm
My friend just bought a vest with a little hole for the harness hook to poke out of...not the NP, it's another brand, quite sporty looking. I'll try to find out tomorrow. This sounds good, as you can keep using your fave harness.

The local club has made vests compulsory due to a couple of recent water fatalities in which non-swimmers have fallen off boats and things. Most people still "forget" to put theirs on, though.


BTW regarding waves, Mr JP recommends wearing a vest in big waves to reduce your hold-down time. Mind you, if you're into the kind of waves he's into, you don't need to listen to me cos I know nothing.

robbo1111
robbo1111
NSW
654 posts
NSW, 654 posts
15 Nov 2008 9:48am
I've been using the dakine one (2005 model I think) for kiting and like it a lot. The newer model isn't as durable but looks a lot better. They provide limited bouyancy and I wouldn't be relying on them to save your life. Over the last year I gone from a waist harness to the dakine nitrous harness shorts but still wear the vest without the hook.

I don't use it for windsurfing as they are quite restrictive for waveriding.

You have to buy the harness hook separately so you can get a windsurfing hook as opposed to the kite one.

You'll be able to buy them at most kite shops but they're pretty exy
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
15 Nov 2008 10:01am
Neil Pryde make a windsurfing impact vest harness combination with the automatic spreader bar. It's effectively a NP waist harness with the jacket added up top. But as with any harness purchase you need to test fit before you buy.

I bought one when I injured a rib as it spreads the load more than a waist harness so I was able to continue sailing. I use it occasionally for speed sailing (It allowed me to bounce off the water really well at Sandy Point).

It keeps you warm but also gets hot in summer.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
15 Nov 2008 12:06pm
robbo1111 said...

I've been using the dakine one (2005 model I think) for kiting and like it a lot. The newer model isn't as durable but looks a lot better. They provide limited bouyancy and I wouldn't be relying on them to save your life. Over the last year I gone from a waist harness to the dakine nitrous harness shorts but still wear the vest without the hook.

I don't use it for windsurfing as they are quite restrictive for waveriding.

You have to buy the harness hook separately so you can get a windsurfing hook as opposed to the kite one.

You'll be able to buy them at most kite shops but they're pretty exy


How are those Dakine Nitrous harness shorts?? OK for windsurfing?? How about maintenence, washing, etc?? Do they last??
airsail
airsail
QLD
1598 posts
QLD, 1598 posts
15 Nov 2008 11:51am
Most of the kite harnesses can be used for sailboards though are a bit more restrictive. The loads in kiting are much larger so the kite harnesses tend to be bulkier with more padding. For flat water sailing they are just fine.
I have a pair of Dakine Nitrous harness shorts, they aren't as restrictive as a full seat harness and maybe not as durable but those are the tradeoffs. Haven't tried them on a sailboard yet but probably worth a go.
I don't wash my gear, the eyelets will rust on the Dakine Nitrous but thems the breaks. The webbing gets stiff with salt after awhile but a soak in some fresh sorts that.
patsken
patsken
WA
717 posts
WA, 717 posts
15 Nov 2008 7:32pm
If I was wearing one of those flak jackets when I got caught under the sail still hooked in and twisted I reckon I wouldn't be here writing this.

The only way I managed to get out was to push down on the top of the waist harness to sort of wiggle out enough to grab a breath of air -- at that stage I was trying to breathe underwater which doesn't usually have a good outcome.....

I don't think I will be using one of those for windsurfing..
pirrad
pirrad
SA
850 posts
SA, 850 posts
15 Nov 2008 10:17pm
Are the first three mentioned Australian standard approved as PFDs,i know the NP&KA are.
robbo1111
robbo1111
NSW
654 posts
NSW, 654 posts
16 Nov 2008 8:00pm

How are those Dakine Nitrous harness shorts?? OK for windsurfing?? How about maintenence, washing, etc?? Do they last??


I still use a waist harness for windsurfing. Only started using the nappy for kiting due to lower back pain. I really like the nitrous shorts although think the standard seat harness might be more comfortable if that's what you're used to. I've had mine for a year and they're still in good shape
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