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nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
NSW, 441 posts
25 Sep 2010 12:37pm
Anyone had any experience with the old 2003 Fanatic Cross 140 or 2005 Triple X 135? It's apprently pioneered the "freemove" movement and "Super X" styles. Info on the net is sparse with most reading like it's come out of Fanatic's marketing department. So any first hand experience would be most appreciated.

It may be suitable for my 100kg weight as an entry back into shortboards. I'm a little lost with "Free-this" and that in board descriptions eg. Freemove, Freestyle etc. coz as some of you know have only returned back to the sport. So I need some more help in pointing me in the right direction. I'm after an allrounder with small max 3' wave use and can handle outside chop in 18+ knots. It's got to float me in case I need to uphaul.

It's available for sale to me now for around $300-$350, is that what I'm expecting to pay for a 8/10 condition with no repairs or dints 2003/04 board?

Here's a snippet from a test back in 2002/2003;

"The new Cross 140 is the ultimate blend of Freestyle, Freeride, Freemove and Freerace boards! It´s as short or even shorter than many Freestyle boards, wider than a lot of Freerace/Freeride boards and has the best manoeuvre qualities of any freemove board out there. Through the incredible wind range and loads of footstrap options, the Cross 140 satisfies every sailors needs and desires."

I really like the idea of having a rear single strap option which this has and not many having in this style of board.

Is this me and do I like it? Could I do better around this price which fits my budget?
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
25 Sep 2010 10:54am
That's a pretty good price for an 8/10 board.

I just read some reviews of it, seems to be a decent enough board. It should do the job nicely for you.

It may be a good idea to make a nose protector for it as well.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
25 Sep 2010 10:57am
If you are after a mid 2000's board a freeride or freemove (same thing but looser, supposedly) of that kind of volume will suit you.

Just stay away from freestyle as they started to become very specialist about then and there is a lot of things they don't do well. Some will be OK but it is hard to know which ones.

boards.co.uk used to have a directory of all boards made since 2000 and most had a short snippet from their side by side testing so you'd know, for example, if a particular freeride was slower but more forgiving, or more slalomy and technical than the others. Was very handy if considering a couple of different boards....... but I can't see it anymore.. Have a play around on the site and see what you get
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
25 Sep 2010 1:44pm
just to expand on Mark's comment about earlier freestyle boards, if you get a 2007 or later model they are generally very user friendly and it's surprising more people don't buy them just as an all rounder. i think maybe the "freestyle" label scares people away
shear tip
shear tip
NSW
1125 posts
NSW, 1125 posts
25 Sep 2010 4:18pm
Another good board for heavies is the Starboard S-Type. They're quite thick, so have a lot of volume for their width x length.

My 126 litre S-Type is 244cm long and 67cm wide. That's usually 110-115 litre territory (unless it's a JP slalom IV, then 104 litres!!). Probably not a good option for small surf though, they have quite flat slalom rocker lines.
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
25 Sep 2010 4:51pm
I had the 90L version of the '03 Cross, and only updated last summer. They are a good allrounder, slightly narrower than the modern equivalent, but for what you want, and for that price, I reckon you'd be happy with it.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
27 Sep 2010 9:46am
Nosinker, I've got a (2004?) Fanatic Cross 140 & also a (2004) Triple-X 109. Both really good boards! As a 'heavy sailor too (heavier then you btw!), the 140 was my second board, after cutting my teeth on a 165lt. It's seen better days, as due to some fat bugger trying to learn to jump on it - it got a case of the soft-top & it's been my experimental board in regard to repairs, but still goes fast & a great ride! I prefer 2 straps on the back for getting out on the rails for blasting & chop-hopping moreso than worrying about manoeverability, and the short time I tried 1 strap, it caused sore legs. It's not a great turning board, so cancel it out if you want to get serious in the waves, but as a blasting, mucking-around, chop-hopping board...for that price, you'll be stoked!
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
NSW, 441 posts
27 Sep 2010 11:52am
Thanks for the feedback people's, Sailhack can you enlighten me on a couple of things. At your weight, whatever that may be and would be good to know for reference, what strength wind and what sail size till you started planing?

When you say that it isn't manoueverable why is that so? Looking at its thinner rails I thought it could be and some of the blurb from testers say it is. I'm NOT expecting this to be a serious wave tool but was hoping it could at least be comparable to a wave longboard where it could go down the line and do very basic surfing moves on small waves eg. bottom and top turns without tripping over itself.

Regarding the rear strap, is it a case of you being accustomed to 2 straps or it's badly positioned? I'd probably use the outboard straps for flatwater and blasting only and switch to a single if there was any remote chance of playing in waves.

Also what size fin did you use the most with what sail? I read recommendations to using a longer fatter base and more flexi fin (tip) than the standard 42cm to get the best ride/handling/planing. There have been no pics anywhere, I've looked for hours on the 'net, of what the standard fin looks like.

Thanks again, your feedback was helpful.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
27 Sep 2010 12:43pm
nosinkanow said...

Thanks for the feedback people's, Sailhack can you enlighten me on a couple of things. At your weight, whatever that may be and would be good to know for reference, what strength wind and what sail size till you started planing?


110kgs - 15-20kts 6.5m sail, although had it out in 10-15kts with a 7.5m, but most common sail is 6.5. I had a few blasts with a 5.5 in 30kts!

When you say that it isn't manoueverable why is that so? Looking at its thinner rails I thought it could be and some of the blurb from testers say it is. I'm NOT expecting this to be a serious wave tool but was hoping it could at least be comparable to a wave longboard where it could go down the line and do very basic surfing moves on small waves eg. bottom and top turns without tripping over itself.


I haven't been on many waves, and not from a wave-riding background, but the squared-off nose may have something to do with it. I can turn my 109lt X-cross and 165lt board easier than the 140. It rides well on the waves and for what you described would be fine, but I reckon you'd struggle with tight bottom turns, maybe the size has something to do with that also.

Regarding the rear strap, is it a case of you being accustomed to 2 straps or it's badly positioned? I'd probably use the outboard straps for flatwater and blasting only and switch to a single if there was any remote chance of playing in waves.


It should be ok for that...I found that as I wasn't in the waves much, it rode better on the chop with 2 straps. I was also sliding out too much and sinking the tail.

Also what size fin did you use the most with what sail? I read recommendations to using a longer fatter base and more flexi fin (tip) than the standard 42cm to get the best ride/handling/planing. There have been no pics anywhere, I've looked for hours on the 'net, of what the standard fin looks like.


JP supersport 38 is the best suited fin I have for it.





nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
NSW, 441 posts
2 Oct 2010 1:13am
After much much much deliberation I bought the Fanatic Cross CX140 and took it home. Ok it's not new, but I've made a commitment to the sport, as they say in seppo speak, "Bring it on!". No excuses now, I'm just going to go for it, let's see where the sport takes me from here. It's either going to be really good or get very ugly!
Squid Lips
Squid Lips
WA
708 posts
WA, 708 posts
2 Oct 2010 10:28am
Good luck with the new board, should be a lot of fun in 15-20 with the Kult.

I think the issue with using a single rear strap on modern wide tail boards is fin size. With a 40cm fin you really need to be out on the rail to counteract the fin, pushing sideways on the board. When you stand in the middle with a single strap you end up sailing with your toes pointed because of the flat deck shape, trying to push sideways which is really uncomfortable. If you want to use a single rear strap you may need to drop down to a 30cm fin, or even smaller, to be able to use a more upright stance.
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
NSW, 441 posts
4 Oct 2010 1:33am
Squid Lips said...

Good luck with the new board, should be a lot of fun in 15-20 with the Kult.

I think the issue with using a single rear strap on modern wide tail boards is fin size. With a 40cm fin you really need to be out on the rail to counteract the fin, pushing sideways on the board. When you stand in the middle with a single strap you end up sailing with your toes pointed because of the flat deck shape, trying to push sideways which is really uncomfortable. If you want to use a single rear strap you may need to drop down to a 30cm fin, or even smaller, to be able to use a more upright stance.


Hey Squid Lips how ya doin, how's Vic treating ya?! When I bought this sail off you I already had in mind that this sail was destined for a shorter board one day, just didn't know it was going to be this soon!

Good brain fodder with the fin/strap relationship, thanks for that. The board came with a 42, the Kona has a 46 and I have a spare 32 which was originally destined for use on the Kona for longboard wavesailing on little waves. All fins are Powerbox and Freeride-ish which is a convenience as I can swap 'em around on the 2 boards. I don't have a 30 as you recommend but the 32 is the closest so will try that on the Cross for higher winds 18+ with the 6.4 Kult or whatever smaller sail I end up getting for even more wind. The taller fins for use with the bigger sail. But definately the 32 to start me off in waves...well it's all I got at the moment. I think this is the correct theory anyway.

As the board is set-up with a pair of outboard rear straps, I was advised to fit a single rear in the front most position (as with the front straps) to get used to the board first as this is what I was used to back then. Then start to consider using the twin rear outboard straps for flatwater blasting to get the most speed out of it when I get some skills back. The single rear strap is the only configuration I should consider for waves though. However I'll be aware if my feet/toes start to hurt that it could be what you are suggesting.

I'm just going to start myself off with single rear strap, 42 fin and the 6.4 Kult on flatwater. If I start involving the sciences behind fin sizes I'll get too confused, too much info too early! I sorta got an idea, just have to put it into practice and see what feels comfortable first.
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