Hybrid booms

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Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
8 Oct 2008 12:26pm
Since I started using carbon booms, I just can't go back to flexy ali. Sorry, it just doesn't feel right. But on the other hand, they don't make carbon booms like they used to and $1000+ is too much for me to risk on a hard landing --> breakage.

So when I broke my 2nd boom in two weeks (one carbon, one ali), the $ decided it for me and I got another ali.

The first thing I noticed when i unwrapped it was that the arms are stiff but the back end is flexible and above medium extension the flex was intolerable.

Seeing as it always seems to be the arms that break, I have a few good back ends lying around so I decided to experiment with aluminium arms / carbon back end hybrid. I had to slightly increase the diameter of the back end to fit into the aluminium arms without any slop. For my prototype I went with a few layers of duct tape (I wonder what I could use for a more long term solution?).

I tested the concept yesterday on my biggest sail (5.8m) which requires almost full extension. It was awesome! After a season on a full ali boom it felt like a different sail. I realised that the flex in the full ali boom was opening up my leech and wasting the power of the sail. The stiffer hybrid fixed this and I got planing in less wind than ever before!

If you've broken your carbon boom and can't bear to fork out for another one, I recommend the DIY hybrid!
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
8 Oct 2008 12:27pm
I just found out that Pro Limit have been selling this concept for a few seasons now, also.

http://www.pro-limit.com/displayitemv2.php?item_id=4523

www.pro-limit.com/itemimages/4523
sflack
sflack
VIC
574 posts
VIC, 574 posts
8 Oct 2008 3:53pm
Isnt the Neil Pryde X6 a hybrid?!
ejmack
ejmack
VIC
1308 posts
VIC, 1308 posts
8 Oct 2008 4:13pm
I have that same boom Leech (Prolimit Hybrid). Having only had it for a month or so I can't comment too much however, although it is much stiffer than my previous X3 and the shape I find much more comfortable....I also find the shape helps when water starting as it alloys you to hold the rig just a tad higher towards the front of the boom.
westozwind
westozwind
WA
1418 posts
WA, 1418 posts
8 Oct 2008 1:51pm
Yep sflack,
The X6 has been around for 4-5 seasons now.
Reduced diameter Monocoque Aluminium Boom arms with carbon back end. No corrosion where the arms meet the head. There are no bolts there.

OceanBlue64
OceanBlue64
VIC
980 posts
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8 Oct 2008 6:41pm
Not having known anything but an aluminium boom, do the carbon booms make all that much difference?
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
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8 Oct 2008 7:23pm
OceanBlue64 said...

Not having known anything but an aluminium boom, do the carbon booms make all that much difference?


Depends on your level of ability and feel. I have a carbon boom that extends up to 2.1 meters. Its not big enough for my bigger sails so bought a aluminium one that extends to 2.45 meters. For me I can't really tell the difference that much as the aluminium one feels okay. However I do think the carbon boom is lighter and generally is firmer. Probably on bigger sails having a carbon makes more of a difference.

As with most things in life, I have my booms the wrong way round, with a smaller carbon boom and a bigger aluminium boom.



Reflex Films
Reflex Films
WA
1460 posts
WA, 1460 posts
8 Oct 2008 4:33pm
Aeron ally's - with the new (well its about 1 year old now) curve delivers 80 % of the siffness of carbon with 20% of the price. Thats a great value proposition

Yes - there are plenty of flexi ally booms out there. usually the older ones used on max extension.
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
8 Oct 2008 4:44pm
The new Aeron makes up the front of my hybrid. True the arms are awesome stiff, but the tail is too flexy for my liking.
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
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8 Oct 2008 7:48pm
got any spare carbon ends lyin around
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
8 Oct 2008 8:15pm
To increase the diameter of the back end, you could use a braided cloth, it is like carbon or glass braided into a continuous tube. This is better then wrapping with a cloth around something as it is smooth and no joins means stronger. When you pull it, it decreases in diameter so it is easy to slip it over you back end tubes, wet it out and pull it to laminate it on.
If u roughed the surface and laminated glass braid on with an epoxy, you could easily increase the dia of the carbon end tube. With glass you could see thru it to drill your holes thru in the same place...
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
9 Oct 2008 11:15am
WINDY MILLER said...

got any spare carbon ends lyin around


Yes, but you'll have to buy some twist-locks to make it work...
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
9 Oct 2008 11:16am
Mark _australia said...

To increase the diameter of the back end, you could use a braided cloth..


Any idea where I can get this from?
wet dreams
wet dreams
NSW
29 posts
NSW, 29 posts
9 Oct 2008 2:36pm
A couple of seasons ago i bought the Loft monocoque carbon wave boom. Its a great boom and still going strong. When its time for another boom i will definitely buy another. At the moment they are still under $600.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
9 Oct 2008 7:48pm
Leech said...

Mark _australia said...

To increase the diameter of the back end, you could use a braided cloth..


Any idea where I can get this from?


Fibreglass and Resin sales in Kew St Welshpool.

The will have carbon in the right size but dunno about glass braid.

You mentioned twist lock though? Maybe no good unless you have a rear end with holes
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
9 Oct 2008 8:55pm
The one I'm using has holes. The one I offered Miller is a twist lock.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
9 Oct 2008 9:06pm
Yeah no worries then. Rough it up with about 100grade, rub down with some metho or acetone, then a glass braid with West 105 / 206 combo epoxy, redrill holes and done!
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
9 Oct 2008 9:08pm
how much do you think it will increase the diameter by? it's not out by much...
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
10 Oct 2008 9:04am
About 1-2mm? It is hard to say as the braid gets thinner as you stretch it longer.... if too thick though, it would be a bugger to sand it down evenly all along its length
mathew
mathew
QLD
2167 posts
QLD, 2167 posts
13 Oct 2008 12:14pm
Reflex Films said...

Aeron ally's - with the new (well its about 1 year old now) curve delivers 80 % of the siffness of carbon with 20% of the price. Thats a great value proposition

Yes - there are plenty of flexi ally booms out there. usually the older ones used on max extension.


Windsurfing sales has $575 for a monocoque carbon ** - so the Aeron is $115... where can I get one of these?

** http://www.windsurfingsales.com.au/products/booms/loftboomscarbon.php
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