Gear advice needed after 11 years hiatus

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col5555
col5555
WA
386 posts
WA, 386 posts
19 Mar 2010 10:25pm
Hi All,
Back into the fold after a 11 year hiatus and need some advice on sails.Geez the sails have changed! guys stringing up 7.5m sails when I was putting up a 5.7m.
My current sails are Gaastra 1993 course slalom pro 6.0m and a Gaastra slalom foil pro 5.7m same vintage both worn out.

My board is a F2 sputnick 275 95L,Fibrespar mast 460 imcs 28 and a Gaastra Dynamic 430 imcs unknown.

Now I have been told and read you can go up at least 0.5m with new sails than the older sails as they are much more stable. My old sails had good pumping and acceleration but in overpowered conditions suffered badly from going from excessive backhand pressure to front hand pressure just right for catapulting you.. I have been looking at the North warps, severne cod reds and the tushinghams x15. Will these sails be suitable on my board as I have noticed boards have gotten shorter,wider and the mast track has moved backwards??.
Are my masts still usable with the current designs and thinking.

Cheers!

greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
20 Mar 2010 12:29am
are you the same weight and physical condition as you were.

helps a lot

also gives us a laugh..... shhhhh

.....also if you put on your profile where you live roughly and who you are! roughly then you will get more responses.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
20 Mar 2010 12:35am
replace the lot.

got to your local shop and buy a package deal or pick up some more modern second hand gear. the difference between your old kit and new kit is very noticable.

i'm not saying take out another mortgage as 2nd hand gear can be cost effective.

oh, you might be able to sell your old tight leach sails to a longboard sailor..... [}:)]
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
19 Mar 2010 10:47pm
You're in much the same position as I was. Same sails in fact.
1. DOOOO get back into it. You won't be sorry.
2. DO update your kit. I sailed my old stuff for a couple of seasons and then this season I bought sails first, then board. No regrets.
The new sails are much more user friendly and yes you will need to go up .5m to get the same power. There are a lot more types these days so decide if you want wave, freestyle, race, freeride and make sure you get that.
The new boards as well as being wider, & shorter are sooo much lighter. That means a lot less wind is needed to accelerate and have fun. Plus much easier to carry and they often fit IN the car rather than having to tie them on top.
And carbon masts or even part carbon masts make waterstarting a dream.

Welcome back.
col5555
col5555
WA
386 posts
WA, 386 posts
19 Mar 2010 10:53pm
greenleader said...

are you the same weight and physical condition as you were.

helps a lot

also gives us a laugh..... shhhhh

.....also if you put on your profile where you live roughly and who you are! roughly then you will get more responses.


76kg's still in reasonable condition for age.Have only been out three times so far can sail for hours but I pay for it the next day. Shoulders,forearms and calfs funnily.

col5555
col5555
WA
386 posts
WA, 386 posts
19 Mar 2010 11:16pm
Gestalt said...

replace the lot.

got to your local shop and buy a package deal or pick up some more modern second hand gear. the difference between your old kit and new kit is very noticable.

i'm not saying take out another mortgage as 2nd hand gear can be cost effective.

oh, you might be able to sell your old tight leach sails to a longboard sailor..... [}:)]



Even the board?? It and I go way back. I dragged that sucker all the way from the UK where I bought it. I was racing against people the other day on newer boards and sails and there board speed was not much faster but they were in more control as I was tail walking in the bigger gusts.
Anyone in WA who sail at Melville waters care to let me try out their boards
Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
20 Mar 2010 12:42am
An 11 year hiatus??? Sounds painful!
Flipper11
Flipper11
VIC
356 posts
VIC, 356 posts
20 Mar 2010 11:03pm
Windxtasy said...

The new sails are much more user friendly and yes you will need to go up .5m to get the same power.




So true babe, but my 6.6 feels like a 5.5 m and i think the new 7.5 size sails today have the same power as the 6.0m 10 years ago. Wish i new this before i brought my gear, but any way ya learn as you go...

The thing is there alot easier to jibe now, so i spose thats why there all heading that way, and they all have that short boom cut out design now, where you can rig your wave boom with your 6.6 .

sailpilot
sailpilot
QLD
787 posts
QLD, 787 posts
20 Mar 2010 11:45pm
Hey Col55555555, welcome back to the fun side of life!
I'd agree with gestalt here and axe as much of the 1993 stuff as you can, starting with the sails, if you don't want to spend too much straight up keep the sputnick and maybe mast but beware the old gaastra masts might not be suitable for some of the sails you've mentioned. The sport has moved along way and the more you replace the more you'll wonder why you didn't earlier. I take it you're set on race-type sails? If so the mast compatibility will be even more important.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
21 Mar 2010 12:06am
Umm gaastra were well into loose leach by '93

No way do '92-95 RACE sails plane earlier than new ones. Wave/freeride sails are a different story (refer to old sails vs new sails more power thread).

If you were happy with you old board size go for a new 90L board, you'll find them so much easie- extra width makes them plane earlier, easier off the plane, go upwind better, better control and dont catch rails so much etc.

Race sails are all much of a muchness- no one really puts bad race sails into production, if anything go for what looks to be the most durable. Checkout your local spot and see what are the prevalent sizes used for someone of your weight , though if you were happy with something around 5.5 as your smallest size maybe go for something around 6.5-6.7 will make a nice quiver.

I'd suggest just changing one thing at a time- either sails or boards due to the big changes even some guys that are awesome sailors are taking some time to adapt.

You will probably have to change masts for new sails, so maybe look at a freerace sail which are quite a bit cheaper than full on race and as good if not better than old sails. You will find old race sails have quite good peak speeds but a new freerace sail will be averaging faster over a sailing session. New race sails also require you to be good at freediving if you drop them wrong in any swell with the luff sleeve being at least twice as wide as your old sail, whereas a freerace sail will have luff width equivalent to your old sails.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
21 Mar 2010 3:40am
I was in your position.Back into the sport after roughly that length of time.My bees knees 96 board was suddenly well & truly left behind.After being used to being the one out planing around & sucking others in to come out & wallow (90's ) .I was the one wallowing as all the new boards flew past in 0 kts of wind..[}:)] so it seemed.
My 90 model sails gradually died delaminating so I had to update cheaply with 2003 + models.Ive now got a modern boom + sails & mast & the rig is much lighter ( heaps better for water starting) , stiffer ( better mast connection) & more controllable.I weigh 65kgs so have many memories of uncontrollable sails & being flattened by 90's sails. Im gradually getting more confident in the modern sails user friendly power.
The other thing I have noticed comparing my modern board to my 96 waveboard is that a gust hits the waveboard & it thinks , thinks thinks & then accelerates so that all that force in the sail is on you until it does.The new board gets a gust ..thinks & is off , so the force is turned into acceleration & there isnt that pressure for you to handle until it does.Also the CEO moves around less so you dont get slammed.
My modern board also slaps less on chop so ther are less control issues.Ive noticed with the old sails if i got overpowered Id luff the sails to handle it but with the new kit it seems better to try & keep weight on the boom/in the harness..??or it tailwalks..?
The newer board also planes earlier & is b fast! I can now keep up with other sailors!
People kept telling me .. get modern gear & it will be so much easier! I know it costs but update as much as you can because its so much more fun!
Sorry strayed off topic a bit but have fun!
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
21 Mar 2010 10:26am
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