Freestyle board for my kid

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pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
5 May 2009 11:25pm
I wanna buy a freestyle board for me mongrel. He's interested, he's got the basics, why not? I mean flat water freestyle, like Balmoral kinda sailing.

A bit of background: he's 14 and only 125 pounds at 5'10". I'm pretty much set on a 100L or so, and he'll grow (weight-wise) into it. Since I wrecked my own 100L, we've got nothing. Sails: I got a few, we'll see later. And no, I don't want a generic freeride board or a wave freestyle board in this case.

Question: what are the boards in that range. Now a truckload, that's for sure.

I find people even manufacturers confuse wave sailing and waves freestyle with flat water freestyle. In fact, the Flare seems to be the only board explicitly targeted at that market by a manufacturer. JP a close second.

Comments?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
5 May 2009 10:40pm
I'd get an old Starboard FreeSex 96.... just as good as the new bellsnwhistles freestyle boards (for a freestyle newbie that is) but maybe $400-$500 rather than $2500 ++
Bondalucci
Bondalucci
VIC
1580 posts
VIC, 1580 posts
6 May 2009 12:51am
Not sure about the ethics of getting a 14 year old a "Free sex" anything, Mark......

Ahhhhh parenting in the 21st century..... sure aint what it used to be!
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
5 May 2009 11:05pm
Bondalucci said...

Not sure about the ethics of getting a 14 year old a "Free sex" anything, Mark......

Ahhhhh parenting in the 21st century..... sure aint what it used to be!



Dude when I was 14, free sex was pretty attractive.

Strewth, who am I kidding, at 34 free sex is still a priority
Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
NSW, 1351 posts
6 May 2009 1:09am
nah the freesex 96 were a **** board for freestyle. no pop. dont bother. the sex96 was sweet for light wind wave sailing and freeride blasting though. I had some sweet sails in particular at gnaraloo on mine.

I'd look for a jp freestyle or an F2 chilli in the 100L range.
FlickySpinny
FlickySpinny
WA
657 posts
WA, 657 posts
6 May 2009 3:08pm
Theres loads of boards produced that'll fulfill your requirements - trouble is, not all of them make it to Australia. Getting an F2 Chilli here is nigh on impossible - last time I checked, the importers didn't even bring them in unless specially requested.

You're looking for a JP Freestyle, an F2 Chilli or an RRD Twintip.

A 100 litre freestyle wave will do almost as well.

Personally I'd get a Dweller Freestyle - Australian designed and made and bomb-proof... www.dwellerdesigns.com - I have one.
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
6 May 2009 9:13pm
I have the "09" 98 litre flare, bought it to play around on flat water when there is no surf, love it, even sailed it in the surf a few times, but i did notice it is definately a full blown freestyle board, waveriding was limited to mainly back side.

One flat water it's heaps of fun, i havn't started all the Vulcans, Flakka's etc. yet but even blasting around trying new gybe moves, helli tack etc. is good they are heaps stable and slide when you want it too, running a 19cm fin but the board is still quite fast, quick to plane and cranks up wind..

A mate is thinking of selling the same board as mine if your interested message me and i'll give you his number.



pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
6 May 2009 11:27pm
P.C_simpson said...

I have the "09" 98 litre flare, bought it to play around on flat water when there is no surf, love it, even sailed it in the surf a few times, but i did notice it is definately a full blown freestyle board, waveriding was limited to mainly back side.

One flat water it's heaps of fun, i havn't started all the Vulcans, Flakka's etc. yet but even blasting around trying new gybe moves, helli tack etc. is good they are heaps stable and slide when you want it too, running a 19cm fin but the board is still quite fast, quick to plane and cranks up wind..

A mate is thinking of selling the same board as mine if your interested message me and i'll give you his number.

Thanks for the input. Will consider, yes the Flare sounds like a true dedicated flat water FS board. I've had input that wave freestyle boards and even freeriders can do the job, but that's absolutely not true (having tried a few myself). I still think the manufacturers confuse the two - perhaps wantonly too.

Thanks too for the offer with ya mate, but as an ex-pat living in North America, shipment might be a bit much !

Cheers !
swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
7 May 2009 12:32am
Mark _australia said...

I'd get an old Starboard FreeSex 96.... just as good as the new bellsnwhistles freestyle boards (for a freestyle newbie that is) but maybe $400-$500 rather than $2500 ++


I've got one in the garage for sale :), new dakine footstraps, and a maui fin company freestyle pro fin.

let me know if you are interested :D

Back on topic thou, I believe that i think one of the online mags recently reviewed the current freestyle board models. I think the mistral joker rated the highest for being a pure freestyle board, and not detuned for freeride/waves.

Found the link, here you go:
http://www.boardseekermag.com/windsurfing-equipment-tests/freestyle-test-introduction-2009.html





NordRoi
NordRoi
671 posts
671 posts
7 May 2009 2:05am

I think the mistral joker rated the highest for being a pure freestyle board, and not detuned for freeride/waves.


In Fact, a bit of wave habilities in freestyle board for advance freestyle tricks is needed, a lot of advance move is started by carving hard. In another hand, a good freestyle board will do a great freeride board if you put a bigger fin(some company as JP offer quite a big fin as stock fin), those board are usually superfast and plan quickly.

Freestyle Wave board are not that good in freestyle..specially a guy like me who just do basic move(vulcan, spock, willy...), the Quatro FSW is a good one..the tail of the board is thick and slide easily, but board like JP FSW..no rocker, no kick in the tail and a kind'a pin tail very slim...catch moste of the time if you don't land it properly.

THe freesex was a great board for spock, willy etc...if I remember it right!? FOr your son, make sure you have the right volume for him, if he is ligth...go with less volume, freestyle is done best when you can pop the board without chop.
That's my 2 cents on the subject.
nord_roi

Jord
Jord
WA
107 posts
WA, 107 posts
7 May 2009 10:40am
at 14 his interest is probably going to go from this to that back to this, so a pure freestyle board would probably be easiest for freestyle But with some of the shapes i have seen, not as good for taken it out into really good bump and jump conditions and even just ocean sailing.

the GOYA X1 is full on freestyle board, But it has the ability to be good in B&J, smaller waves, and ocean sailing.

http://windshack.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_new.tpl&product_id=6&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=40

that being said

My freestyle board is the RRD twintip 102L version, If you could find one i would go for it handsdown over anything, just because it is a classic shape, has heaps of pop, and catches the water after the sliding moves (but doesnt bite in), along with the the tail shape is just one that you can look at all day, and think WOW!

anyway hope this helps
lanky
lanky
QLD
213 posts
QLD, 213 posts
7 May 2009 3:16pm
My 2 cents but being a 18 year old who started at 15 and know 2 people who are either 14 or started then. I think you are safe to buy a pure freestyle board for him. Most likely is he will get into freestyle and waves not slalom if he isn't into slalom now. I would go as far as to say if you can afford it buy him a newer board. It will last him for a while and if he gets into it he will end up dinging it hundereds of times and an old board that just falls apart after 2 years is a waste. I have a 2008 tabou freestyle 100 and love it. It's fast and great for freestyle and if I swap my freestyle fin for a wave fin (which is easy because the board has US box) It makes a great wave board. I nearly never use my wave board in anything other that 5.3 and smaller and bigger waves.
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
7 May 2009 11:01pm
Thanks all for replies, most appreciated. You've turned this into an interesting thread.

Just for background: he's been sailing for a few years already, and he's seen me freestyle all of his life (both 100L Exocet and longboards). We're inland here, away from beloved Sydney and wavesailing, so flat-water is all that matters - most unfortunately.

I broke the small board 2 years ago, so he's been freestyling the big one, and doing OK if not great. That's all he wants to do, but I can assure you I'm not pushing - as long as he gets out and is away from the computer. I don't think he'll be great at it, and I don't care. I've brought him to local FS comps I was in, he likes it, he wants to do it.

He gets bored sailing in a straight line, just like the old man. One positive side with him is the attitude: last weekend he spent about 20 minutes in +7C water. After that, he still wanted to go out: I thought he was tough... I could barely take the frigid water myself.

I've also been working with him on out-of-harness sailing and intervals. Builds stamina, and it's starting to show (slowly) in his upper-body strength.

Problem here - inland North America - is that there are few people freestyling here, and few true flat-FS used boards around. Makes the new gear expensive.

Again thanks all, comments welcome, I'll mull all this. Plenty of time until the water gets beyond 15C anyways.
smithers
smithers
TAS
54 posts
TAS, 54 posts
8 May 2009 4:17pm
I've got a 2008 rrd twin tip you can have for $950. It's in great condition, bought an isonic 101 so I have no further use for it. Send me a pm if you're interested
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
8 May 2009 4:03pm
Got Fanatic skate 112 - can highly recommend them for all-round lighter wind sailing and I wave sail mine quite a bit (small to head high) and as long as you don't bottom turn to hard they are good fun.

I am out there and planning quite often before most with a 6.4 freestyle sail and they allow you to stay in the straps when almost stationary after jumps etc.

I am no freestyler so can't comment on the flicky spinny sail chuckin stuff - but I'd say from the magazine write ups they are one of the best going around - the thing is super light - pops easy and has been a revelation for jumping small wave riding and sailing in light winds.


Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
10 May 2009 11:53pm
thought i give a thumbs up for the JP freestyle also.

like some of the other guys i can't do the flicky spinny stuff and have used them as freeride only, but found them great for gybes, very early planing and plenty of pop. an allround fun experience. those that can do the flicky spinny stuff don't seem to have many issues on them either.

from reports all of the boards mentioned above will work very very well. the guys i know with the fanatics speak very highly of them also.

pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
11 May 2009 1:08am
Useful article. Thanks mate.
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
14 Jun 2009 7:01am
So guys it's gonna be a Goya 105, less than 2yo.
Basically it's the only one that came about on the local used market. And no effing way I was gonna pay $2k+ for a new one. I can afford, but too insulting

105 is perhaps a bit more litrage than I wanted, but it looks in good enough shape, if he gets into it, will get a 95L to complement. Might also replace my old broken 100L one...

Thanks again all.
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