Footstrap screws unscrewing??

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Shifu
Shifu
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7 Sep 2020 9:48am
I have one board where the footstrap screws rapidly unscrew themselves. They need tightening a few turns before each session. The holes aren't flogged out as I can tighten them quite firmly each time. Is there a trick out there short of loctite to stop them unwinding?
LeeD
LeeD
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7 Sep 2020 8:37am
Spring or star washer. Toothpick.
Sparky
Sparky
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7 Sep 2020 6:04pm
Did fish oil drip when you were oiling your fins?
Shifu
Shifu
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7 Sep 2020 8:50pm
Sparky said..
Did fish oil drip when you were oiling your fins?


Do try to be sensible! Everyone knows fin oil is only needed in summer to stop them drying out.
pepe47
pepe47
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7 Sep 2020 9:27pm
It may come down to thread pitch. The finer the pitch, the less chance of weakened thread.
But, if the plugs are damaged, the cost of new ones would be far cheaper than soft material helicoils.
olskool
olskool
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8 Sep 2020 1:02am
A dot of superglue on the screw before tightening. Itll hold no problemo, n can still be undone if needed.
segler
segler
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7 Sep 2020 11:22pm
You did not say whether the threaded inserts are metal or plastic.

If metal, try something like Loctite.

If plastic, what I did was change all the screws from the dreaded Philips to square-drive. It is too easy to wear out the Philips tops to where the screwdriver fails to get enough grip. The square-drive tops never slip, so you can really tighten those puppies. I do this to prevent twist on single-screw footstraps.
Imax1
Imax1
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8 Sep 2020 7:22am
Shifu said..

Sparky said..
Did fish oil drip when you were oiling your fins?



Do try to be sensible! Everyone knows fin oil is only needed in summer to stop them drying out.


Some people have no idea.
Shifu
Shifu
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8 Sep 2020 7:56am




segler
segler
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8 Sep 2020 6:41am
See photo. Not a Phillips in sight.




musorianin
musorianin
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9 Sep 2020 7:56am
Shifu said..





Photoshop skilz need a bit of work
Marty1970
Marty1970
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9 Sep 2020 11:26am
Shifu said..
I have one board where the footstrap screws rapidly unscrew themselves. They need tightening a few turns before each session. The holes aren't flogged out as I can tighten them quite firmly each time. Is there a trick out there short of loctite to stop them unwinding?


Let me guess, is it a Starboard?
Pacey
Pacey
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9 Sep 2020 11:48am
Use these, Goya footstrap plates:
mr love
mr love
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9 Sep 2020 1:53pm
One day the major brands will see the light and put 2 screws at least at one end of the footstrap, problem solved forever.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
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9 Sep 2020 12:13pm
mr love said..
One day the major brands will see the light and put 2 screws at least at one end of the footstrap, problem solved forever.


I insisted on this with a recent board. There is no twisting problem.

With my own boards i put two in each end. Better and you can use smaller screws,



Manuel7
Manuel7
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10 Sep 2020 6:20pm
Unless you have the nicely designed starboard strap insert this could be useful:


Next, be sure to tighten them holding an underhand grip as opposed to overhand for max torque. You can use a piece of inner tube over the screwdriver handle as shown here near the end:



In regards to having 2 screws instead of 1. I welcome the added flex from 1 screw only for the front foot. We can also play with the angle of the strap sides for a more comfortable fit.
musorianin
musorianin
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10 Sep 2020 11:25pm
^^^^^^^^
Noooooooooo, not the rubber tube, anything but the rubber tube.
GasHazard
GasHazard
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11 Sep 2020 10:37am
Pacey said..
Use these, Goya footstrap plates:


Those things bend and then they're useless.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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11 Sep 2020 9:10am
Rotating strap is not same as screw undoing....?


segler where to you get those square drives? I have not been able to but a stainless PT screw the same as Cobra ones ANYWHERE after searching for two years..... except in limited amounts at the crazy prices board brands charge.
oscardog
oscardog
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11 Sep 2020 10:14am
Mark _australia said..
Rotating strap is not same as screw undoing....?


segler where to you get those square drives? I have not been able to but a stainless PT screw the same as Cobra ones ANYWHERE after searching for two ears..... except in limited amounts at the crazy prices board brands char


I got hex button heads, (and grantMac said was not correct). So far they work fine, have tightened 1/4 turn twice since first installed some months ago.

From other post:

From me:
I use 304SS M6 30 hexagon socket button head self tapping screws, available on Aliexpress for US$4 for a pack of 10. Might take 4-6 weeks to arrive from China

www.aliexpress.com/item/32920019122.html

From grantmac

20 Jul 2020 1:54AM
Self tapping is the wrong thread type for footstrap inserts. It will work but isn't as strong.
Probably okay for double inserts.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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11 Sep 2020 10:34am
Yeah that is why I asked, the screw is a PT (Plastite - name of the company that invented such a thing for plastics) not a normal self tapper.
After two years looking I found one place in Europe who sill supply, but have to manufacture them so min buy is 10,000

If segler is easily buying those pictured, I'd love to know where.
segler
segler
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12 Sep 2020 10:26pm
I have the advantage of a company named Tacoma Screw. They have everything. I get the square drive screws there.

Torx would work just as well. Also, internal hex drive if you can find those. Anything but Phillips.
Ben1973
Ben1973
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12 Sep 2020 11:58pm
segler said..
See photo. Not a Phillips in sight.





Just the even more ridiculous Robinson head
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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13 Sep 2020 3:47pm
segler said..
I have the advantage of a company named Tacoma Screw. They have everything. I get the square drive screws there.

Torx would work just as well. Also, internal hex drive if you can find those. Anything but Phillips.



I can't find PT screws (ie: with thread like the factory ones from Cobra), with ANY head / drive system
Do you have a link I can't see it on Tacoma's site.....

Thanks
segler
segler
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Gwarn
Gwarn
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245 posts
13 Sep 2020 11:20pm
www.windance.com/Footstrap-Screw-Cobra-1-1-8%22/22361/

Sorry I know this is in the USA small parts go in the mail cheap.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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13 Sep 2020 11:44pm
segler on the Tacoma website they just look like normal self tappers, not the aggressive / deep threaded PT screws

It was hard to see from your pic but I thought the one you showed originally was like a Cobra style screw

Should be 6mm OD and 4mm minor dia. That is a much coarser thread than normal self tappers
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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13 Sep 2020 11:45pm
gwarn yes we can buy them individually at windsurf shops here too, but I want to buy in bulk.
Swindy
Swindy
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14 Sep 2020 8:16am
www.fastenright.com/products/general-fixings/thread-forming-screws
Mark
Found this company based in the UK
Hope its helpful.




segler
segler
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14 Sep 2020 12:34pm
Mark, you are right. However, since these screws go into plastic inserts I have not found them to be any problem going in and staying in.

The Phillips head is a much bigger problem than the difference of thread types, I think.

On the Swindy link the only one I would consider is the 6 lobe screw. The others are Phillips.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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14 Sep 2020 5:00pm
Swindy, no stainless in the larger sizes. I went through all their stuff online .....

segler I reckon you have been a bit lucky as the reason all the major brands went to PT / thread forming screw long ago is the Chinook self tappers ripped out often when jumping. I have used the same ones as you, but only had success with double screws each end and in brand-new Chinook inserts )which have a hole about 0.25mm smaller than the more common / standard inserts used by everyone else).

The annoying thing is the screw seems to be specially ordered by Cobra and Unifiber and then they sell individually at an obscene markup
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