Ezzy: Unbreakable? The horrible truth revealed.

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bracko
bracko
WA
17 posts
WA, 17 posts
9 Mar 2008 10:24pm
I dont know why but i seem to have torn two ezzy sails in about 6 weeks busting radical freestyle moves. It seems to me that this bomb proof tag placed on the sails by many sailors might be a little false, considering that they probably would not survive a bomb blast. The double reinforced bit couldn't survive my inferior spocking with a 10 cm tear right though it. And buy the way, incase there are any doubters out there, i wasnt carrying a knife when the incident occured, or anything else sharp enough to slice through the sail.
Anyway from my experiences i suggest that u dont literally test if they are bomb proof because in my experiences they are not sh!tty spock proof.

thanks for listening
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
9 Mar 2008 10:26pm
Got any pictures?
bracko
bracko
WA
17 posts
WA, 17 posts
9 Mar 2008 10:38pm
nah sorry mate,
but so u can picture it there is a 10cm long depressive tear in the bottom reinforced X- ply panel running horizontal to the boom.
curac
curac
WA
1160 posts
WA, 1160 posts
10 Mar 2008 12:04am
bomb proof, not kook proof
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
10 Mar 2008 1:13am
Bad luck i say..
I have a 2001 SE .That old thing has been rinsed countless times in waves ranging from waist to a bit over mast high and during my countless kooked backloops i reckon i've landed both feet, right in the middle , about a dozen times and the sail is still sweet as...getting hard to see through though...may have to wash it one day
fullmoon
fullmoon
WA
314 posts
WA, 314 posts
10 Mar 2008 12:41am
Ive got an ezzy 4.7 wave and ive used it to break more than its fair share of other gear .Close to bomb proof anyway,BUT,we have 3 superfreaks and from what I can see they do take durability to another level again.
Still,with all my lack of skill Im sure Ill work out some way to bugger them up eventually.
handyswanny
handyswanny
WA
14 posts
WA, 14 posts
11 Mar 2008 7:19pm
My new 08 4.7 did the same thing with a 100mm tear horizotal to the boom at knee position when jybing.have had ezzys for 15 years all models,this year the cloth must be week,or poor quality??should we do a warranty on these problems?
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
11 Mar 2008 7:40pm
Sounds like maybe a fault in the design, perhaps the cut of this year's model makes that particular point overstressed?

I was in the shop today and found some Ezzy harness lines, didn't know they made them! Bought two sets
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
11 Mar 2008 11:50pm
I broke my ezzy yesterday, well slightly:( Put a little rip about 3cm in the 3rd panel. In the sails defense I think it performed very well considering I fell onto it from about 3m in the air elbow first. I also did the same thing with one of my norths a few years back and went through 2 whole panels :o It's an '07 model and has been through many a rinse, always survived. but as curac said, bomb proof, not kook proof...or elbow from height proof as may be the case. I've got an '08 in another size, construction looks very similar, hard to tell cloth difference though. That said the reinforcing weave did look slightly different, might compare...maybe they have a new cloth supplier.

Anyway she's all good. I kept sailing for the rest of the arvo, put a sticker over it when I got home, fixed it right up :D Still one of the strongest sails on the market I reckon.
bracko
bracko
WA
17 posts
WA, 17 posts
12 Mar 2008 2:20pm
i thought bomb proof and kook proof were meant to be the same thing. they are a durable sail but it was very surprising to see the tear in the extra reinforcment around the bottom of the sail rather than in the clear panel or even the less dense X-ply.
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
12 Mar 2008 3:33pm
CJW said...

I broke my ezzy yesterday, well slightly:( Put a little rip about 3cm in the 3rd panel. In the sails defense I think it performed very well considering I fell onto it from about 3m in the air elbow first. I also did the same thing with one of my norths a few years back and went through 2 whole panels :o It's an '07 model and has been through many a rinse, always survived. but as curac said, bomb proof, not kook proof...or elbow from height proof as may be the case. I've got an '08 in another size, construction looks very similar, hard to tell cloth difference though. That said the reinforcing weave did look slightly different, might compare...maybe they have a new cloth supplier.

Anyway she's all good. I kept sailing for the rest of the arvo, put a sticker over it when I got home, fixed it right up :D Still one of the strongest sails on the market I reckon.


Yeah you don't wanna be pushing cloth though

Ezzy Sails
Ezzy Sails
13 posts
13 posts
16 Mar 2008 11:51am
Hey bracko sorry to hear about your dramas.

As Tim said "Our Spectra X film is incredible material. I firmly believe it is the strongest sail cloth available in the market.

That being said, there are occasions when a fin or sharp object has its way with it."

If you can, bring your sail in to Surf Sail Australia, 260 Raiway Parade West Leedervillle, we will either replace it with a new sail if we think the material is defective or repair it for no charge as a goodwill offering.

Our quality is our strength!





MintoxGT
MintoxGT
WA
975 posts
WA, 975 posts
16 Mar 2008 1:01pm
Ezzy Sails said...

Hey bracko sorry to hear about your dramas.

As Tim said "Our Spectra X film is incredible material. I firmly believe it is the strongest sail cloth available in the market.

That being said, there are occasions when a fin or sharp object has its way with it."

If you can you bring your sail in to Surf Sail Australia, 260 Raiway Parade West Leedervillle, we will either replace it with a new sail if we think the material is defective or repair it for no charge as a goodwill offering.

Our quality is our strength!








Sheesh!

Theres service for ya and I ride JP and use NP sails, I do have a 6.0 infinity and I love it, it is about 6 years old. I get same backup from my shop owner as well, gives you a warm fuzzy feeling

Good on ya shop owner for backing up the customer.

REgards GT
bracko
bracko
WA
17 posts
WA, 17 posts
16 Mar 2008 1:38pm
Hi all,
Id just like to say thanks to Tim and the Ezzy team for there great service and help with this matter. ill be droping into Surf Sail at the next chance i get.

cheers guys
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
TAS, 2317 posts
16 Mar 2008 7:54pm
nebbian said...

...?

I was in the shop today and found some Ezzy harness lines, didn't know they made them! Bought two sets


Two? Wow, you mean you picked up a spare set for ME? Nebbian, you shouldn't have...

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
16 Mar 2008 7:34pm
I busted a 5.3 Simmer X-flex yesterday and they are the strongest sails on the market, period.

However, should Ezzy replace it for me I may be swayed into buying Ezzy from now on. What do you think Ezzy Sails
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
WA, 645 posts
17 Mar 2008 1:14am
Wow thats impressive service..... :)
j mac
j mac
NSW
4 posts
NSW, 4 posts
17 Mar 2008 3:12pm
I don't want to upset anyone by what I am saying, but sailboarders are not using the best cloth in any of ther sails. I am a sailmaker, I have made sailboard sails up to grand prix yacht sail's. The main reason why sailboards have monofilm or cloth with a couple of yarn's which are normaly cheap polyester crap is cost. Yes ezzy sails are probaly some of the most durable production sailboard sails around. Though if one was to change the cheap polyester yarn or mono film to a light kevlar it would be more robust, bigger wind range, though minor more expansive though more life. It is also a big illusion that the yarn in the cloth is to stop the tearing of the cloth, it isnt, it is there to carry the load's. Most sailboard sail manufacturers want high turn over so they will use a cheap cloth designed not to last, some 1 season, which is only 6 month's not 12. I believe in bring some beter cloth's into the sails and giving us a choice of having a beter performing sail that last. Kevlar is still not the best cloth but is a good all round cloth for a surf sail, though I would like to use carbon on race sails, or produce sails out of a cloth similar to dimension polyants d4 where you get beter performance and any choice of yarn. There is testing currentely being done on dyneema for a yarn in a cloth this will make sails last for even longer with awsome performance. Guys do your research on cloth's, possibly talk to a sailmaker about sail's you never know you might pick something else up
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
17 Mar 2008 3:36pm
The ezzy xply uses spectra fibre wound with polyester. I believe the polyester is there for bond. I understand that kevlar is susceptible to uv damage so it shouldn't be used in any exposed condition (could be wrong).

Hotsails use dacron in the Freak. It gets pretty good reviews - lighter, stronger, much better uv resistance, great colours and they reckon it keeps its shape pretty well too. What do you think of that stuff jmac?

It's all very well pointing out better cloths but we, the consumer, are limited to what sail manufacturers choose to use. Are you suggesting we should push the manufacturers or go to boutique manufacturers for custom designs?
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
17 Mar 2008 10:52pm
NotWal said...

>>>>>>>>
It's all very well pointing out better cloths but we, the consumer, are limited to what sail manufacturers choose to use. Are you suggesting we should push the manufacturers or go to boutique manufacturers for custom designs?



I think there's a general rule, if the consumer is educated and aware of all issues, product quality inevitably goes up.
It's because most of us are ignorant/unaware of these issues, the manufacturer can get away with using hype and spin.
Ezzy Sails
Ezzy Sails
13 posts
13 posts
18 Mar 2008 1:12pm
Some interesting comments from David Ezzy re Ezzy Spectra x-ply, no hype or spin here, just the cold hard facts:

Dimension Polyant makes everyone's x-ply, including ours. The basic construction between most X-ply's is pretty much the same. That is: film, glue, x-yarns and film. This however, does not mean all x-films are the same weight and strength. Factors dictating strength and weight are:

1) film weight
2) yarn type
3) yarn spacing
4) yarn orientation
5) UV exposure

1) The thicker the film, the worse the tear strength. Some companies use reflective film in the center, which increases the weight (the reflective is a film) and makes the tear strength worse. A thicker film does give better initial impact strength but gets brittle and cracks after UV exposure).

2) Our x-ply consists of polyester yarns wrapped with 1.5 twists per inch of Spectra in the warp (longitudinal direction) and two, 22 degree X yarns also wrapped with Spectra. Spectra has good elasticity and tensile strength, but it doesn't bond well, that is why we wrap it on the polyester. The poly is there only for the bond. Some companies use Kevlar, but Kevlar breaks down from UV and creasing.

3) The closer the yarn spacing, the better the tear strength. Wider spacing gives less rip stop strength.

4) Many don't have a warp yarns (longitudinal). Our cloth has three yarns: a warp yarn and two X's at 22 degrees.

5) Finally, people need to realize how damaging the sun can be to all sailcloth. Film has an elastic quality when it is new, but as it gets more UV exposure, it gets more brittle. At 300 hours of total exposure the cloth is toast. It is really important for people to keep their sails out of the sun when they are not sailing.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,

David Ezzy
Ben Severne
Ben Severne
WA
194 posts
WA, 194 posts
18 Mar 2008 1:21pm
Another factor is the yarn thickness (or denier) - a slight increase in the thickness results in a much bigger increase in it's rip-stop properties. This is one of the reasons for twisting the spectra with polyester.
The other reason is that spectra is pretty slippery stuff, and by combining it with something easier to bond to (polyester) ensures that the yarns remain stable in the laminate.
DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
18 Mar 2008 8:39pm
So how does Aerotechs "Cuben Fibre" fit in with that mix - Not sure we'll ever see any of that in OZ but - also claims to be "bullet proof" (but is it fin proof).
Jezza West
Jezza West
WA
2 posts
WA, 2 posts
18 Mar 2008 8:41pm
There is a couple of guys around Perth got the new charge sails with the CUBEN FIBRE. Lets wait and see how good they go.....
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