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Darkplague
Darkplague
SA
197 posts
SA, 197 posts
18 Nov 2011 10:25pm
Heya fellas,

Just a quick question re repairing a crack in a board.

Im using q-cel mixed with epoxy resin and fibreglass pieces to fill in a hole in the nose.
The nose was cracked so i ground out the cracked part + feathered the edges all nice ready to be filled with the above mix.

However the mix seems to be reacting to the white foam core inside the board and has melted some of it. What was once a 5mm deep recessed hole, is now a 25mm hole as the mix has eaten the foam away kinda like battery acid.

So I had to run down to bunnings and get some expandafoam in a can, and refill the hole again with the expandafoam. Whats to stop this happening again when I go to put the resin mix over the top of the expandafoam

The only thing I can think of doing is maybe putting some masking tape over the exposed part of the core, then putting the resin mix over the top of this so the 2 parts wont be in direct contact, but surely there must be another way? Am I missing something guys

Cheers



barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
WA, 2960 posts
18 Nov 2011 8:06pm
What board is it?

Is the epoxy mix getting hot? If epoxy gets hot it will melt EPS.

I once developed a method for repairing boards with smashed noses. You open the nose, get a screwdriver and dig out all the soft foam, and a bit more for extra measure. Stand the board upright, and then pour thickened epoxy in the hole. This turns the nose into a brick. Then sand it back and paint over it. (these were company boards)

Sometimes the mix would get super hot so have a bucket ready to dunk the nose in before the board catches fire..
mineral1
mineral1
WA
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WA, 4564 posts
18 Nov 2011 8:10pm
Darkplague, it all should be here for answers to what you need.
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decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
18 Nov 2011 8:38pm
Are you sure you're using epoxy?????
Unless as Barn says straight epoxy is getting too hot to touch it won't melt the foam. If you've added a thinner to it that will probably do it as well.
Polyester resin will also do what you have described, don't get it anywhere near styrofoam

I'd sand the expandafoam back to just below the existing surface feather the edge back at least 2cm, then use fibreglass cloth, (not bits of fibreglass) and pure epoxy.
Darkplague
Darkplague
SA
197 posts
SA, 197 posts
18 Nov 2011 11:56pm
Board is a Tabou rocket standard construction

No the mix isnt getting hot at all, its only a small area bout 100mm long by 20mm wide.

I used Fibreglass resin (Diggers brand) from Bunnings
Just assumed it was epoxy based resin, maybe I better check the label, oops

decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
18 Nov 2011 10:40pm
Darkplague said...

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I used Fibreglass resin (Diggers brand) from Bunnings
Just assumed it was epoxy based resin, maybe I better check the label, oops




Yep, that's polyester I'm afraid.
A quick way to tell is the mix ratio, polyester is about 1% hardener to resin, while epoxy typically varies between 20% and 50%

And normally the only epoxy you'll get from places like Bunnings is araldite
barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
WA, 2960 posts
18 Nov 2011 11:20pm
haha there's the problem.. I had the similar thing when the epoxy melted my blank, I first thought it was the epoxy, or a dud mix.. But because I was in a rush I thought it would be a good idea to wrap my board in a heated blanket. Only after I did a test patch with epoxy on EPS near a heater did I finally work it out, doesn't even need to be that hot.


Te Hau
Te Hau
497 posts
497 posts
19 Nov 2011 4:35am
Melting the styro core even with epoxy is also common if the epoxy is too liquid and runs into the foam.
Very common on production boards which get built in a hurry and in a mold.
Plenty of epoxy runs in and melts styro everywhere.
I've sawn up quite a few dead prod boards and in all the spots where there was an external ding or crack, there was a void in the styro core where melting had taken place.
One board had a huge void under the mast track and the track had dropped in letting in water.Also very common with footstrap inserts.
The cure is to mix the epoxy with some filler to get it to butter form and then smear this over the core, wait until it gets a bit tacky and then put your fabric and insert into the hole.This 'skin' tends to keep the heat away while the cure takes place.
And when you're laminating, wet the fabric out on a poly lined table then roll the fabric onto a poster tube to transfer it to the blank. This leaves most of the excess epoxy on the table rather on the job.
Keep the excess heat away and you get good solid boards.
Darkplague
Darkplague
SA
197 posts
SA, 197 posts
19 Nov 2011 9:58am
Cheers guys. Will get the right resin and redo again.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
19 Nov 2011 6:43pm
I had a fine crack in the nose of my board and used some araldite to cover/fill it..that should be ok shouldn't it?
Darkplague
Darkplague
SA
197 posts
SA, 197 posts
19 Nov 2011 9:29pm
That was what I was using, however I needed to do some other repair work on my other board so I thought it was a good time to fix everything at once :P
oldie
oldie
VIC
356 posts
VIC, 356 posts
19 Nov 2011 10:21pm
Araldite- good. The polyurethane expandafoam stuff seems to have not much strength, even when set unbder pressure. Contact adhesive is a no-no.

What other stuff DOESNT make great holes in EPS?
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
19 Nov 2011 9:34pm
oldie said...

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What other stuff DOESNT make great holes in EPS?


Water and air are fairly safe as long as they aren't too hot. But water will make the board heavy.
In other words to be on the safe side stick to epoxy and urethane foam.
If in doubt test on some scrap styrofoam first.
Gwendy
Gwendy
SA
472 posts
SA, 472 posts
21 Nov 2011 11:16pm
Araldite works well for temporary repairs but it won't last for a long time.

I've been using the west system epoxy and some of the repairs with it are over 5 years old and still good
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
21 Nov 2011 9:28pm
Gwendy said...

Araldite works well for temporary repairs but it won't last for a long time.

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Not sure about this, maybe you used the 5min variety? that's not as strong as the 24hr version.

like most epoxy's it's also vulnerable to U.V. but a coat of paint will fix that. I'd be disappointed if the repair didn't last as long as the board.
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