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BIGKYM
BIGKYM
SA
127 posts
SA, 127 posts
18 Feb 2011 10:49pm
Hi, With sail recommendations on boards what is this based on, width, length, fin, sailors weight....
Im 105kg and im looking for a board which will carry my 4,5 in high winds, but most boards that recommend this sail size are way under the rule off litre per kg for my weight...
So is it ok to go less volume board than your weight???? "say 95ltr"

My smallest board is 110lt..

Thanks
sideskirt
sideskirt
328 posts
328 posts
18 Feb 2011 8:26pm
I use 4.5 on my 105L and it works fine, I used it on 113L fanatic eagle and it worked well too.
Use smaller fin for smaller sail and it should do the trick...
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
18 Feb 2011 10:53pm
think of it like any other sport- do wake boarders, skiers, surfers, kiters etc use boards even remotely close to a litre per kg "rule". Basically that rule is just for smallest gear "easily" able to be uphauled in that you wont be up to your waist in water. You can go as small as you want, you just need consistent wind.

I'm just under 100kg and my smallest board is 63L. At 105kg safely look to around 90L as your smallest board. For 4.5 conditions try not to go wider than 60 wide.
sideskirt
sideskirt
328 posts
328 posts
18 Feb 2011 9:09pm
imo that's a relative statement about width... I see a lot of freestylers using even 4.0 on a 100L board about 63cm wide... if he has 110L board he coudl try it with let's say 24cm fin and see how it behaves, if it feels to big, try lending a smaller board to see, if it suits you.
My board is 62.5 and it works very well with 4.5, but when its way overpowered it starts behaving to lively and bouncy, then it's time for a smaller board....however I'm talking about 35knot or higher gusts...
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
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QLD, 2315 posts
18 Feb 2011 11:34pm
Yer, you can use a 4.5 on a 300L board if you want, anything can be used and work.

Freestylers mainly looking for flatwater and short runs where control isnt an issue.

I have no idea of Bigkym's ability, reasonably able sailor at 105kg will master a 90L board pretty quick and enjoy it more than bouncing around on the big board. That said there are plenty of guys at our local that like to stick it out with their bigger boards, however 30knots arrive and the number of guys on the water drops dramatically.

At 105kg I wouldnt be looking to go to 4.5 unless wind is a consistent 30.

I guess my point is dont use weight as an excuse to avoid small gear- it can be so much more enjoyable, just be careful on picking the conditions you use it in.
anjroo
anjroo
25 posts
25 posts
18 Feb 2011 11:36pm
I have a 4.5 sail, not much skill (been sailing a few months only, sussing the straps and harness at the moment, though have been sussing these orrible things for a couple of months now!) and a 160L board..... what kind of wind do I need to use the 4.5? I find myself always using my 6M sail..... is this my destiny? I weigh about 77kg. Any advice would be be appreciated.
KenHo
KenHo
NSW
1353 posts
NSW, 1353 posts
19 Feb 2011 8:35am
As mkseven says, once you have enough wind for a 4.5, you don't need a formula for board size, it's just about what the water is doing, and what you want to do.

At your weight, something 75 -85 litres will work nicely in 30 kts. MOst of those are wave boards, but in theory you could be doing speed runs at the Pit using a wee board and sail too.
BIGKYM
BIGKYM
SA
127 posts
SA, 127 posts
19 Feb 2011 10:05am
Thank guys, i have a 115 and a 110, i want to replace the 110 with either a
105 or 95, with winter just around the corner it cranks here in SA, but the conditions
are knee shattering chop in the Gulf, so bigger boards aren't pleasant sailing...
I have borrowed a 92 with my 5,3 in 30+knts and it felt awesome but the board felt very flighty
and i had to use my weight to keep board on the water.. “great for jumping”

Neil Pryde use there wind range on sails based on a 80kg sailor, so with sail ranges on boards
is this the similar or just marketing tool!!”so ya have to have more boards”,
especially with some off the wind ranges in some sails.....
and obviously the differences between a 60kg or 100kg sailor..


mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
19 Feb 2011 11:26am
each size board will have its sweet spot with sail size. A 90L bump & jump board with big rider will be about 5.3

Some boards naturally feel flighty due to their bottom shape. But in big wind both width & length will get flighty & knocked around. To fix this either smaller fin, move mastbase forward, move straps forward or adjust sail set for more downforce. I find i dont mind a little bit heavier construction of these boards too for strength & control & comfort, no need to go latest & lightest.
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
19 Feb 2011 12:41pm
BIGKYM said...

I have borrowed a 92 with my 5,3 in 30+knts and it felt awesome but the board felt very flighty and i had to use my weight to keep board on the water.. “great for jumping”


If you can do a reasonable gybe you can ride just about any size board, I'm the same weight as you and use boards 120,112 and 95 and looking for a 85 for the days its 30 knots. I've used boards down to 60L and have had no issues, The smaller the board the more lively they are under foot and makes for a great sailing experience and yes the small boards jump better.

With your 5.3 in 30 knots you may have been over powered, I'd be using my 4.7 on days like that. Try playing with mast track position and fins, even boom height to give you better control. Being of the larger build I run my mast base forward of centre and the smaller the board I move the mast track even further forward. This helps with early plaining, stops sinking the tail and gives better control. As for the fins, when the wind picks up I drop in fin size as this calms the board down so it's not so flighty....a few cm makes a big difference in the ride of the board. The boom height was a thing that changed my sailing, especially on the smaller boards. Get it high, I thought mine use to be ok but I got a good sailor of similar build to set my kit up and was amazed at how high the boom was, If you drag the boom over the tail of the board It's about 10cm clear of the tail. It was funny to start with, Brought back that catapult feeling but by the end of the first session it was fine. I jumped better, got better speed, plained earlier and gybed better...only if it's nuking do I drop the boom a cm or two.

Sail recommendations depend on the wind, your weight and ability, Theres no point asking an 80 kg sailor what you should rig as they'll be on a 5.0 and you'll need a 6.5. Get to know someone about the same size of you and ask them about it. If you have an iPhone get the sail size app, As much as people bag it it does give a good indication of what you should be rigging based on the wind strength.

What I use:

15-20 knots...120L and my 7.2
20-25 knots...112L and my 5.8
25-30 knots....95L and my 4.7

And any combination in between....The sail I've listed is the largest I would use in the given wind range, and you can always ride the smaller board at the higher end of the wind range.

My rule for board choice is based on my experience with my sails and works for me.

What I use:

If I'm using my 7.2 it's always my 120L
As soon as I rig my 6.7 It's my 112L
As soon as I rig my 5.8 It's my 95L

Hope this helped...
BIGKYM
BIGKYM
SA
127 posts
SA, 127 posts
19 Feb 2011 1:00pm
Thanks
i use the same board sail range as you 130L-7m etc. , not sure that height plays a roll to as most blokes that are over the 100kg mark are over 6ft+,
im 5,10 so not sure that makes much difference, anyway due to a few repair issues on my 110, ”2mths out off action”sick off using the 130 in cranking wind, i went an got a 115,
now ive ended up with 2 boards the same size, so i was thinking about the 95ish size to be
a good gap between sizes e.g. ,130,115,95... but was concerned about going under the weight/litre etc.. and wether its worth 2-4cm around a board is worth it.....
so thanks for ya help

Most guys that have a 4,7 need a 4,2. so i got a 4,5 thought it was a good compromise...,

Less gear=Less confusion
Right gear, good times
jimbob SA
jimbob SA
SA
1000 posts
SA, 1000 posts
19 Feb 2011 4:28pm
Hi Kym, have you tryed using smaller fins, I always run a 117 litre freeride board, but am a bit lighter 82 kg at the moment, I only use weed fins as my condition always need them but they sit the board down on the water heaps better, I always run
6-7 cam with 36
5-8 cam, 5-5 and 5-0 wave with 30.
5=0 cam, 4-7 and 4-2 wave with 24.
my favourite is the 5-0 Kobncept with the 24 fin
I don't have any issues with the 4-2 and small 24 fin in onshore surf.
will be up your way soon for a sail and hope to have a blast with J and Koshi.
BIGKYM
BIGKYM
SA
127 posts
SA, 127 posts
19 Feb 2011 7:22pm
jimbob SA said...
have you tryed using smaller fins,


Hi Jamie, My smallest fin is a 28 wave, maybe 24-25 would be worth a try....
Thats a lot of sails on one board..
sharkbiscuit
sharkbiscuit
820 posts
820 posts
19 Feb 2011 5:02pm
Just a question about sailor weight. Does a heavy guy experience the same volume-weight significance as a light guy ?. Example: BigKym current board is 110L. That's 5L+ over his weight and he would like a smaller board (under his weight) to handle 30+ knots. Me, I'm 68kg, and use an 85L board is no worries in 30+ knots. That's 17L volume-weight. There is no way I would consider getting a 60L board at the moment.

jh2703: right on about the boom. That's my lesson for this session is boom height. I have my boom very high now. I can point up wind more and go faster. I only lower it when under or over powered.

anjroo: That is a very small sail for your level. While you are beginning, I you just need to pick your condition. Going out in high winds won't allow you to learn. In 30+ knots, I suspect you will be going along totally sheeted out while standing on the mast base and heading down wind !. I know this, as I did that too when I was learning (my first board was a 148L Bic Techno2).. Good fun, but beach walking a 150L board with a sail connected to it up the beach in 30 knots gets a bit tedious after a while

Jimbob: no worries :). Look forward to it. Pity about this bloody weather though.
J
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
19 Feb 2011 10:47pm
sharkbiscuit said...

Just a question about sailor weight. Does a heavy guy experience the same volume-weight significance as a light guy


I think board size selection has more to do with conditions then anything else, You just keep going smaller until you are comfortable.

When it's 30 knots my mate is on a 77L board but he weighs about 70kg, I'm on my 95 and weigh 105kg....and looking for a smaller board. I am sure there is some science behind it all but what it comes down to is smaller is better. The bigger guys just have to trade off a bit of float to get the same comfort level as the lighter guys. One of my mates has even taken his kids board out in 30 knots just to prove a point that smaller is better. As for pro riders, JP sails a 60L board and he weighs 80kgs so that just comes down to pure skill level....
You probably won't find too many light weights using boards 15 or 20L below their body weight as they just don't need to, Where as the bigger fellow needs to go much smaller to archive the same board performance.

Now I'm willing to put this to the test....If someone is willing to pay for the lipo suction...Or a sexy personal trainer, One or the other would be fine.
I'll start keeping all the stats on weight/board/sail/wind and post it up as I loose the weight and that way we can form a scientific basis to the theory of rider weight Vs board size.

....Sounds solid to me, Now who's willing to pony up the cash.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
19 Feb 2011 8:21pm
sharkbiscuit said...

Just a question about sailor weight. Does a heavy guy experience the same volume-weight significance as a light guy ?. Example: BigKym current board is 110L. That's 5L+ over his weight and he would like a smaller board (under his weight) to handle 30+ knots. Me, I'm 68kg, and use an 85L board is no worries in 30+ knots. That's 17L volume-weight. There is no way I would consider getting a 60L board at the moment.

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Once you are comfortably planing, the volume has little to do with it.

When I was 96kgs, a 4.5m and a 76 litre board would be okay, but not fun for a fair-dinkum bom-measured 35 knots. I can ride the same volume board in about 26 knots and up.

I found that when it was very windy and choppy that the problem I had was that the larger boards to float me in light wind were too wide and made for a bumpy ride. I bought an older board that was narrower for the volume, compared to current boards, and it seemed better to sail in those conditions.

I think width makes more difference once you are planing all the time. Even then a heavier guy is going to be able to use a wider board than a lighter guy.

I am now 84kgs, and found a 116L board feels exactly the same to me now, as a 135L board did when I was 22kgs heavier. (Except my body seems to remember the width of the larger board and I go to put my feet where they should be in a gybe and they are too close to the rail.)

petermac33
petermac33
WA
6415 posts
WA, 6415 posts
19 Feb 2011 9:49pm
older boards that are narrower for the volume, compared to current boards are far better in choppy conditions.


my f2 is 110 litres is 64cm wide with narrow tail, my fanatic is 111 litres is 69cm wide with wide tail.


when wind gets to 20+ knots my fanatic starts going airborne and i keep spinning it out.


in same conditions i am cruising on my f2.


the modern short/wide board will plane + point better however.
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