Attaching boom on old W1 design

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Haydos
Haydos
NSW
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6 Aug 2009 5:59pm
Hi there, hoping you guys could help me.
I have an old W1 design which I am trying to get ship shape for summer.
I am having problems attaching the boom of the wally to the mast, as it just uses a bit of rope to attach the boom to the mast.I cant seem to prevent the boom from sliding down the mast once I have tied it on.
Is there a knack to this? I have attached a picture of the boom and rope attachment. (The fatter rope in the pic is the uphaul rope which I am sure you knew).
Appreciate any assistance in advance! Sorry if the photo is too big.




easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
6 Aug 2009 7:23pm
put the boom in its sailing position, so the other end is pointing away from the mast - now swing that other end up so that the boom is now alongside the mast. Thread the rope around the mast and up through one of the holes, and then down another hole, around the mast and out of another hole. Have a bit of tension on it, not too much, and tie it off any way you can. Now go back to the other end of the boom and swing it back to its sailing position - you'll feel the join tensioning up as you swing it down. Experiment a bit and you'll get it right and be on the water - enjoy!
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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6 Aug 2009 7:35pm
Not quite sure about rope round the mast then back thru the holes, then tying it off Easty.
Notice there are 4 holes, 2 close togther and 2 further apart with a bit of a groove between them.
I think the rope goes round the mast about 3 times first, then in one of the holes without the grooves, out the one opposite leaving a loop, then in one with the groove, under the loop and out the last hole, work excess rope out of the loop so that it's clamping the rope. Then pull the clew out and it should clamp solid, it will depend how tight you get the initial wind.
I would have the boom downwards on the mast so the clew is at the base end of the mast, then when you pull the clew up the rope around the mast is under the boom.
easty
easty
TAS
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TAS, 2213 posts
6 Aug 2009 10:31pm
Ah yes Decrepit, I bow to greater memory recall - many brain cells have been destroyed since I last rigged one of them. - what you say sounds right. Ah, the good old days, I remember dreaming of owning a clamp on boom.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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6 Aug 2009 8:57pm
easty said...

>>>>>> I remember dreaming of owning a clamp on boom.



Yes me too, do remember the first clamp ons, they came in thru the back of the boom cutout in the sail. The boom arms crossed over to open up a "mouth at the fron of the boom, this went over the mast and clamped when the arms were drawn apart.
I really coveted on of these so I had a go at making one, used fibreglass for the solid bits that attached to the arms and formed the front clamp, with a small length of webbing as the hinge. Sort of worked but I underestimated the loads on it, and my joins in the fibreglass split. After using it I wasn't all that impressed, awkward to feed in to the cut out, and it still couldn't be adjusted without undoing a lot of stuff. Fortunately it wasn't long after that that the real clamp on appeared.
Rowdy Rosey
Rowdy Rosey
QLD
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QLD, 16 posts
6 Aug 2009 11:08pm
And i thought i was the only one left with one of these intact
Bender
Bender
WA
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6 Aug 2009 9:09pm
Dont bother with the tie on boom. I'm sure you could retro fit a a modern clamp on head to the arms. Should be able to pick one up for under $50.The older bolt on ones would do. Clamp on booms are soom much better.
Haydos
Haydos
NSW
14 posts
NSW, 14 posts
6 Aug 2009 11:25pm
Brilliant thanks Easty and Decrepit. I will need to re-read and digest your posts a few hundred times so the advice sinks in.
What is a "clamp on head to the arms" bender? Is that something I can use whilst still using the boom I have (ie no need to buy another boom)?
What the hell is a clew? Pardon my ignorance, am new to all this (should probably google this to appear less dumb).
Thanks again everyone.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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6 Aug 2009 9:31pm
Clew is the end of the boom furthest from the mast.
Bender's talking about buying a new/secondhand clamp on head, taking the old tie on clamp off and replacing it. It's a great idea, but you have to make sure they are the same angle. Over the years boom heads have had a lot of different angles, from about 60deg to 90deg. If you get the wrong angle head, you'll have to rebend the arms, and that can lead to failure if you kink them.

Edit, had another look at your pic, and that looks closer to 45deg, think you'd have trouble getting that angle these days.
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
6 Aug 2009 11:37pm
Bender said...

Dont bother with the tie on boom. I'm sure you could retro fit a a modern clamp on head to the arms. Should be able to pick one up for under $50.The older bolt on ones would do. Clamp on booms are soom much better.


Yes this is true, or you could buy a used boom pretty cheap, but when I got back into windsurfing 8 years ago I bought an old board with the same boom as Haydos has, and I couldn't remember exactly how to connect it, so did something like in my first post and it worked pretty well - I used it happily and effectively for a couple of years before I tried some modern gear and saw the light. They are not the best, but if they get you on the water and having fun then by all means use it. But if you have the funds for a more modern set-up, don't hesitate - you'll enjoy your sailing so much more.

Bender
Bender
WA
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6 Aug 2009 9:40pm
This is what a modern boom head clamp looks like. This pic is stolen for from a broken boom arm picture(off this site) but it shows what i mean.

You could get a second hand boom for under $100 BUCKS. Visit a windsurfing shop near you. They will probably have an old boom going cheap.
Having a solid join between boom and mast can make sailing so much eaier and far more enjoyable

Haydos
Haydos
NSW
14 posts
NSW, 14 posts
7 Aug 2009 12:48am
Interesting stuff, thanks again. I might try the set up I have for a while and then see if I can pick up a second hand clamp on boom later. If I did get a new (second hand) boom with clamp I would need to ensure it was the same length as the one I was replacing right, in order for it to fit the sail? Ie the current boom is 265cm so a replacement would need to be around the same length wouldnt it?
Really appreciate your assistance everyone.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
6 Aug 2009 11:01pm
Modern booms are adjustable, so yes, you'd need to make sure that 265 was in it's adjustable range.
Haydos
Haydos
NSW
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NSW, 14 posts
7 Aug 2009 1:44am
Rowdy Rosey said...

And i thought i was the only one left with one of these intact
Yes Rosey but does yours have the rope universal joint as well!

Haydos
Haydos
NSW
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NSW, 14 posts
7 Aug 2009 1:45am
decrepit said...

Modern booms are adjustable, so yes, you'd need to make sure that 265 was in it's adjustable range.
Cheers thanks Decrepit.

pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
7 Aug 2009 4:43am
Hey Haydos, yes a clamp-on is better, but it's fun to screw around these old bits in lesser winds. I still use those planks a lot in 14- knots, say. Good for general shape.

Anyhow, here's my 2 bits on the clamp thing.

- yes for aligning the boom against the mast, but definitely towards the top end of the mast. Reason is that your weight on the boom whilst you sail will compress said boom more, and not less, against the mast. It stays stronger this way.

- at least 2 rope turns around the mast. If you use an old 1-piece fiber masts, more prone to breaking if only 1 turn.

- WARNING: too much pressure as you lower the boom, and you snap the mast. Pressure is humongous there for that old equipment. I put the rig up, then lower the boom slowly as I watch the pressure point. Typically the boom stop by itself about a foot too high from the clew. From there, force it with clew rope, should be about right. Too high and you need to loosen by about 1/4" and retry.

- WARNING 2: you'd could use one of those old metal tube at the boom-mast point. You can still find those at the back of old shops - they'll give it to you. Or else, do plaster the mast there. Then no chance of break the mast.

- use the right rope. Me sailing courses tells me there are 3 kinda ropes, one of which don't stretch (can't remember the name). Use a waxed rope too.

- yes, clamps are better, but do you want to spend $100, which is the value of an entire old boards on Craigslist ?? Do sail old gear, or buy new one - that's my take.

Have fun !
aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
7 Aug 2009 9:45am
pierrec45 said...


- WARNING 2: you'd could use one of those old metal tube at the boom-mast point. You can still find those at the back of old shops - they'll give it to you. Or else, do plaster the mast there. Then no chance of break the mast.


We used to just use a bit of pvc pipe with a cut down the back, gave the boom a tighter fit on the mast, was super cheap (I was only 14 at the time) and never had a breakage due to boom pressure with that.
Haydos
Haydos
NSW
14 posts
NSW, 14 posts
7 Aug 2009 10:20am
^^Sounds like a good idea, just bung a bit of plastic pipe onto the mast and let the boom rest on it.
Tops stuff here people thanks for ya help!
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
7 Aug 2009 11:20am
Haydos said...

^^Sounds like a good idea, just bung a bit of plastic pipe onto the mast and let the boom rest on it.
Tops stuff here people thanks for ya help!

Yeah, sounds good indeed. Under my metal tube, and perhaps your PVC, I put one roll of duct tape. Idea is that the mast doesn't get scratches through friction. Those blue masts are really fragile.
Haydos
Haydos
NSW
14 posts
NSW, 14 posts
7 Aug 2009 11:50am
pierrec45 said...

Haydos said...

^^Sounds like a good idea, just bung a bit of plastic pipe onto the mast and let the boom rest on it.
Tops stuff here people thanks for ya help!

Yeah, sounds good indeed. Under my metal tube, and perhaps your PVC, I put one roll of duct tape. Idea is that the mast doesn't get scratches through friction. Those blue masts are really fragile.

Another good tip, thanks.
Yes these blue masts are like a friggin' flagpole aren't they. Long and skinny.
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