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poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

10 Dec 2006 8:45am

and so we thought our sail boarding bretheren were the leaders in speed.
P'raps its time for a race.
Check this

~~http://50knots.xs4all.nl/gps-kitesurfing/gps.asp?mnu=user&val=52&uid=4~~

hardie

4133 posts

hardie

WA, 4133 posts

10 Dec 2006 10:00am

quote:
Originally posted by poor relative

and so we thought our sail boarding bretheren were the leaders in speed.
P'raps its time for a race.
Check this

~~http://50knots.xs4all.nl/gps-kitesurfing/gps.asp?mnu=user&val=52&uid=4~~

Well I always thought you were pretty fast to move in on me, I knew then that it was the truth, coz no windsurfer, not elmo, not greenroom, not grumpybum, not decrepit, were ever as fast as you

elmo

8890 posts

elmo

WA, 8890 posts

10 Dec 2006 12:03pm

Relli Boy,

When you next come down with ya Perth Riff Raff I'll chuck my GPS on ya.

Then we'll see the Flyin Welshman

Alby

poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

10 Dec 2006 12:40pm

I'd like that.
That indeed would be fun. Do you have a boost meter too??

poor relative

9106 posts

poor relative

WA, 9106 posts

10 Dec 2006 12:40pm

I'd like that.
That indeed would be fun. Do you have a boost meter too??

elmo

8890 posts

elmo

WA, 8890 posts

10 Dec 2006 2:32pm

quote:
Originally posted by poor relative

I'd like that.
That indeed would be fun. Do you have a boost meter too??

If I change the settings to 1 sec we should be able to get altitude readings, provided you stay sub stratospheric with your boosts for a change.

Haircut

QLD

6491 posts

Haircut

QLD, 6491 posts

10 Dec 2006 4:53pm

Even nearly 3 years ago there were a few un-official post 50knot averages pulled by Bjorn and Finnian, but no one seems to be able to manage to do those speeds when the 3 wise men are taking the readings

SO.....what are all the windsurfing speed-o-holics going to do once kiters annihilate the current speed record? maybe take up wave sailing or freestyle, and learn to windsurf properly?

mkseven

QLD

2315 posts

mkseven

QLD, 2315 posts

10 Dec 2006 7:08pm

absolutely nothing, kites are not sail powered craft. It's about as relevant to us as a power boat pulling 120mph.

Respect to the guys that are doing it, official speed is still around 40knots. Alot have claimed over but been a bit shy on submitting tracks for some sort of ratification. My only other critism is windsurfers crash and get thrown on/through their gear kiters crash different and less hardcore

As far as I remember both bjorn and finian claimed peaks of over 50knots but not averages- though in constant wind the average is mostly within a couple of knots anyway. I cant seem to find that run of bjorns anywhere though following chris's success and talk of who has been over 46knots.

kitecrazzzy

2184 posts

kitecrazzzy

WA, 2184 posts

10 Dec 2006 6:45pm

quote:
Originally posted by mkseven

My only other critism is windsurfers crash and get thrown on/through their gear kiters crash different and less hardcore

debatable

although it would suk more with the sail and boom

JAKE123

QLD

314 posts

JAKE123

QLD, 314 posts

10 Dec 2006 8:00pm

As if windsurfer crashes are more hardcore, mark, if u hit the water at 50 knots u r gona eat sh!t....... the differenceis that at those speeds wen you eat **** on a kite you keep gettin dragged....... and it there is any hard objects downwind of u........

bubs

924 posts

bubs

SA, 924 posts

10 Dec 2006 9:14pm

Once we were sailing at boggy lake in SA. Or i wasnt sailing, i had a injured knee. see pictures at: (very painfull

)

- www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=2978
- www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=2979

Anyway. Once my brother and dad were sailing at boggy lake. My brother, some otha guys and i were standing on the shore when it would have probably been about 15 knots. There was a guy taking someone out to learn how to kite.

The guy learning was finding it very keeping the kit under control and was hooked into the harness. The first time he pulled the kite down into the power spot, he was pulled straight off his feet and across the water before the guy helping him could do anything.

He sunk under the water and then within seconds was yanked up into the air and then splat! straight down onto the water again. He went up and down two or three times before he could get out of the harness and let go of the kite.

The kite was blew away and the guy helping swam after it as it was just on the surface of the water, but was un sucsessfull. The kite was blown way over to the other side of boggy lake which i have no idea how far it is. A couple of hundred metres i would guess (Anyone who know?).I havnt seen this kite since.

For people in SA:
Is there anyone who can remember this? it happend a couple months ago. Would anyone know if they got their kite back? and how?

bubs

Greenroom

7608 posts

Greenroom

WA, 7608 posts

10 Dec 2006 7:45pm

So lets compare a cricket bowler and a baseball pitcher's ball speed.
I think not because they have different equiptment, technique and BLOODY HELL they are different sports!
How can we compare speed records between windsurfing and kiting?
In saying that respect goes to anyone going fast.
As for me I like waves

bubs

924 posts

bubs

SA, 924 posts

10 Dec 2006 9:18pm

Wouldn't kiters have an advantage anyway because the can go in so much shallower water with not as many wakes?

bubs

decrepit

12872 posts

decrepit

WA, 12872 posts

10 Dec 2006 7:52pm

quote:
Originally posted by JAKE123

at those speeds wen you eat **** on a kite you keep gettin dragged....... and it there is any hard objects downwind of u........

That powered up just being in the harness anywhere near hard stuff is hardcore enough for me.
Loose concentration and you could kill yourself before you'd even got to the water!

elmo

8890 posts

elmo

WA, 8890 posts

10 Dec 2006 8:37pm

quote:
Originally posted by bubs

Wouldn't kiters have an advantage anyway because the can go in so much shallower water with not as many wakes?

bubs

yes it is an advantage as the water can be flatter, but on the other hand they can drag the bottom quicker as well.

also

if things go pear shaped stacking it in 3-4inches of water doesn't give would much protection from imbedding yourself in the sand

bubs

924 posts

bubs

SA, 924 posts

10 Dec 2006 10:23pm

Yeah, i've always thought watching some of those movies that it might hurt a little if they came off.

bubs

Edge

136 posts

Edge

WA, 136 posts

10 Dec 2006 10:12pm

Comparing the two different sports is like when they (people with too much money and time) compare a F1 car to an airplane in a drag race. Very frustrating!!

Chris 249

NSW

3570 posts

Chris 249

NSW, 3570 posts

11 Dec 2006 9:42am

Then again, some windsurfers have spent decades saying that windsurfing was the most fun way to sail, because it's faster than dinghys, yachts or cats (or longboards).

Either we compare different sports or disciplines, or we don't. Can't have it both ways!

stamp

QLD

2797 posts

stamp

QLD, 2797 posts

11 Dec 2006 8:49am

quote:
Originally posted by mkseven

absolutely nothing, kites are not sail powered craft.

ill remember that when a poley on starboard expects me to give way.

how is it that a kiter is not under sail? does the cloth have to be cut to your specs before it passes as a sail mkseven? is it because there is no head or foot or tack to a kite? or because there is no boom? i guess a spinnaker doesnt come under your definition of a sail?

and by the way a bloke at sandy point set official times of around 46 knots average speed on a kite. (cant remember the exact details)

mkseven

QLD

2315 posts

mkseven

QLD, 2315 posts

11 Dec 2006 9:34am

My argument would be either sail must be attached to mast in some manner or perhaps more exact sail must be directly attached to the boat (in which case kite yachts qualify).

Yeah Jake we all know how passionate you are about you're chosen enjoyment. Seriously though i think we will see more severe kite injuries from this speed thing, when they eat ** in on their run they've only got a couple of inches of water.

Where were you saturday jake? You missed a good day.

Starboard rules aren't just for sailing craft, all watercraft have the same rule

~~http://www.sailspeedrecords.com/kitesailing.html~~
Those times are down a bit on what people are claiming.

elmo

8890 posts

elmo

WA, 8890 posts

11 Dec 2006 8:40am

quote:
Originally posted by stamp

i was wrong about those times; it was 44.81 average over 500m, not 46

~~http://shq.com.au/summer/newsandevents/asp_news_and_events_item_detail.asp?newsAndEventsId=163~~

would make my freckle clench

elmo

8890 posts

elmo

WA, 8890 posts

11 Dec 2006 8:51am

quote:
Originally posted by mkseven

My argument would be either sail must be attached to mast in some manner or perhaps more exact sail must be directly attached to the boat (in which case kite yachts qualify).

Yeah Jake we all know how passionate you are about you're chosen enjoyment. Seriously though i think we will see more severe kite injuries from this speed thing, when they eat ** in on their run they've only got a couple of inches of water.

Where were you saturday jake? You missed a good day.

Starboard rules aren't just for sailing craft, all watercraft have the same rule

~~http://www.sailspeedrecords.com/kitesailing.html~~
Those times are down a bit on what people are claiming.

Thats because the other guys are doing it on GPS (no, it is not recognized for records) which is a go anywhere anytime speed sailing.

Generally events such as Walvis bay or MOS require a huge amount of infrastructure to organize for a set period of time, but at the end of the day are (like the rest of us) at the whim of the elements which may or may not deliver the right conditions.

In regards to the kiting tracks, there are some which you can download and look at yourself with GPSAR and then transpose into google earth.

Alby

waveslave

4263 posts

waveslave

WA, 4263 posts

11 Dec 2006 8:54am

quote:
[i]Originally posted by mkseven
kites are not sail powered craft.

It's strange.
Some poleys don't consider kiting to be sailing.

I was at the local spot the other day.
I had just pumped the kite on the grass.
As I made my way down to the shoreline to rig the lines,
I bumped into a poley I hadn't seen in a long time.

He said, "You kiting" ??
I said, "Yeah, for many years now".
He said, "So, do you still get out on the board" ?

Out of the corner of my eye,
I glanced at the kiteboard tucked under my arm and gave a wry smile.
I said, "Nah mate...Windsurfing is history for me".

JAKE123

QLD

314 posts

JAKE123

QLD, 314 posts

11 Dec 2006 10:35am

mark,
im in vic at de mo on holys for a month

water is bloody freezing i am getting brain freezes from it lol.

goodwinds
jake

whippingboy

1104 posts

whippingboy

WA, 1104 posts

11 Dec 2006 10:07am

Try this test.
Go to local swimming pool with diving towers
Put on GPS
Climb to top of tower (20 metres +)
Jump of tower into water
Check speed on GPS
Kerchow! you have broken the 50 knot barrier

For the record you have to do 2 runs of over 500 metres.
The average speed is then the time recorded. As you can imagine to achieve an average of 48 knots plus there must of been periods of your run where you would be well over 50 knots.

Kites ain't got a chance over 500 metres too much line drag, kites can't be 'locked' into power position. High speeds on kites are achieved using the 'whip' effect, which is only good for 50 metres. So dream on kite boys.

Both Kites and Boards compete in Namibia so check that out if your keen.

JAKE123

QLD

314 posts

JAKE123

QLD, 314 posts

11 Dec 2006 11:31am

quote:
Originally posted by whippingboy

"kites can't be 'locked' into power position. High speeds on kites are achieved using the 'whip' effect, which is only good for 50 metres. So dream on kite boys."

dude have u ever kited before?

kites can be locked into the power zone, thats when you dont have to sine them!!!!!

i think both windsurfing and kiting are great fun. I have done both. I chose kiting. I dont bag windsurfing. both sports have huge unexplored potential in the area of speed sailing.

make sure you properly understand both sports before you rag one or the other.

i also dont understand what you mean by the whip efect??? are you talking about kiteloops???

king of the point

1836 posts

king of the point

WA, 1836 posts

11 Dec 2006 11:02am

Wish they were fast enough to get out of the way.

plev

QLD

181 posts

plev

QLD, 181 posts

11 Dec 2006 4:35pm

Here's another link.

intellimas.com

plev

QLD

181 posts

plev

QLD, 181 posts

11 Dec 2006 4:37pm

OOoops,

intellimass.com.au

stamp

QLD

2797 posts

stamp

QLD, 2797 posts

11 Dec 2006 4:46pm

quote:
Originally posted by whippingboy

Kites ain't got a chance over 500 metres too much line drag, kites can't be 'locked' into power position. High speeds on kites are achieved using the 'whip' effect, which is only good for 50 metres. So dream on kite boys.

where do you get this ****? line drag, cant be locked in, whip effect?????
if you dont know what you're on about, dont make it up mate

mkseven

QLD

2315 posts

mkseven

QLD, 2315 posts

11 Dec 2006 5:12pm

quote:
Originally posted by elmo

Thats because the other guys are doing it on GPS (no, it is not recognized for records) which is a go anywhere anytime speed sailing.

Generally events such as Walvis bay or MOS require a huge amount of infrastructure to organize for a set period of time, but at the end of the day are (like the rest of us) at the whim of the elements which may or may not deliver the right conditions.

In regards to the kiting tracks, there are some which you can download and look at yourself with GPSAR and then transpose into google earth.

Alby

I know all about GPS's etc, the rest of the country speedsails also. If you where seeing 50knots on you're gps you would be making a huge effort to get an invite to any wssrc official events. Until then it is talk (and you should probably turn the gps off when in you're car

). Alby i'm sure you're aware there is some debate about kiters not making their tracks available for examination.

As i've said before both windsurfers and kites will be first to see the other side of 50knots, I believe windsurfers first purely because of more development. Kites wont be far behind, probably even first as all the things that work naturally against achieving speed with windsurfers kites do not have.

Jake and co harass me all the time about taking up kiting, speed is the only area where kiting has some appeal for me. Enjoy you're holidays jake, be sure to check out sandy point if you can.

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