Anyone had an accident hitting bottom at speed?

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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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25 Aug 2009 9:00pm
My partner has made me paranoid about sailing at speed in shallow water. " You'll end up a paraplegic etc.." Anyone had an experience coming to a stop in the shallows? ( sandy or muddy bottom).
I did today but I was only going cautiously in subplaning conditions and just fell over the front.Bit of a deterrent to really blasting..
lao shi
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25 Aug 2009 7:17pm
A few topics
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=47348
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=44098

The potential for damage is high and gets higher with greater speed. Be careful.
Helmets and impact vests / pfd's becoming more common amongst speed crew.
Windxtasy
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25 Aug 2009 7:28pm
Unfortunately yes.
It was late afternoon and low tide and I couldn't see the sand bar because of the reflections off the water.
I was planing along at speed and the next thing I knew the board stopped dead and the rig and I kept going. I was catapulted into the sail and somehow ended up lying on the sail with my back to the sail and the boom across my spine. I couldn't move because of the pain and because I was still hooked in! I lay there recovering from the shock for some time before I could unhook and get up.
I think I was lucky not to fracture a vertebra.
I can't remember how I got back to the beach but I can still remember being flung through the air and landing on my back on the boom. Ouch!
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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25 Aug 2009 7:29pm
Would not worry about it. When you catapault, you do not enter the water at 90deg headfirst like diving in... you hit the water at about 20-30deg at worst, and you body will plane for a bit if really going fast.
What is a problem in your ankles when in footstraps ... trust me I know, it was 3 and a half years ago and I can feel it still, right now, sitting here at the PC. Make sure your feet come out when u prang!

Glitch
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25 Aug 2009 9:38pm
Back in the 80s someone in central NSW was catapulted onto a sandbar and ended up a paraplegic. This was reported in one of the magazines of the day.
decrepit
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25 Aug 2009 7:48pm
I'm sure you could spear in and hit the bottom, but basically I agree with Mark, we've had a few big catapults here, (I came up from one, looking like a kitesurfer, only had about 50cm of boom in my hand, the rest of it was still attached to the rig,) mainly you bounce or roll on the water until you slow down. The bigger danger is as windxtasy did, landing on the rig.
But there's certainly more chance of hitting something and coming to a dead stop in shallow water.

The best advice seems to be to hang on to the boom as hard as you can, that way at least, the rig shouldn't hit you.

But partner comfort with your sport is a big factor, not sure how you cope with that.
jp747
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25 Aug 2009 8:26pm
this topic is the one that scares my friend from using the harnesshitting fin and catapulting off anything..if Bjorn skims off 1ft of water so shall we..yeah right say that again
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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25 Aug 2009 8:28pm
Hmmm sorry Decrepit I know you agreed with me but now I must disagree with one of your points. In any prang try to get away from your gear. My recent injury (well six months ago but it is still f%&ed ) was caused by a catapault where I didn't have time to let go of the boom and the rig hit the water and my front arm was straight. No joints could bend to absorb the impact so my upper arm bone was driven back and up HARD.
Fair enough this was flat out in a 35kn breeze and I was 6ft up coming off the back of a wave so it was probably the hardest catapault ever (apart from double forward loop attempts) but I think one needs to try and separate from one's gear a bit.

Further, my next worse catapault injury was boom upwards into nose ... very broken snout. Now that one hurt. Again, if I catapaulted over the rig and board I'd have been OK.

The ankle is still bad, they never heal. At least noses do
elmo
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25 Aug 2009 8:48pm
I watched Claude come hammering into our shallows and stop suddenly he speared head first.

As with all people when they first come down our neck of the woods we advise.

If you are going to come hammering into shore
Unhook and get your feet out of the straps

That way if you do stop in a hurry you let go fall backwards your sail goes over the side of the board. If you stay hooked in you'll most likely mast chop the front of the board and / or smash your self into the water (hopefully not head first)


Mark I agree with you (I also agree with Mike as well)

When I feel Mr Catapult coming to play
My first preference is to catapult unhooked (it's a mantra running through my head)
Second preference is to have the harness line snap.
My worst fear is to stay hooked in, in that instance I hang onto that boom like my life depends on it so I can (kinda) control how my body is going to be slammed.

If you can avoid sailing in shallow water do so, your missus is wise, but may be a bit selfish in not wanting you to end up as a quadriplegic and thus being responsible for changing your colostomy bags.
decrepit
decrepit
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25 Aug 2009 9:00pm
Yes, Elmo has pointed it out, I was talking speed sailing in shallow water, there's no time or space to clear the gear, in this case it's best to stay connected to the boom. Agree about getting out of control in the air, bail out and throw the gear down wind, hopefully not into anybody else of course.
Pointman
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25 Aug 2009 9:24pm
I hit the sandbar at Melville once doing 30K+ and got catapulted a beauty. Still hooked in, but fortunately I was unhurt (landed flat on my back in 6 inches of water ). Board wasn't so lucky, the mast smashed up the nose real good.

Worst thing is it happens like slo'mo. You feel the board start to run aground and you know what's coming next, but you don't have time to do anything about it. Scary $hit.

Best to avoid shallow water when going flat out, or sail unhooked. I got all outta shape last Saturday in the shallows when I got hit by a 25K bullet (on my 7.5). I unhooked and kept going til the board starting tail walking and I had to bail. Exhilarating yes, but not terrifying like an uncontrolled catapult.

decrepit
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25 Aug 2009 9:29pm
Pointman said...

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Best to avoid shallow water when going flat out, or sail unhooked. >>>>>



Probably feet out of straps as well, if you don't want ankle injuries.
Mark _australia
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25 Aug 2009 9:36pm
OK halfway then
If going in hard n fast and hanging on still, bend the arms. Trust me
grandfromage
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25 Aug 2009 9:42pm
i was just up and running, sailing away from the beach about 20m downwind of three dudes who looked like they were swimming. i just about drew level with them and BANG, down i went. these three guys then stood up laughhing hysterically in ankle deep water. the barstuds were lying down on a sand bar.
Windxtasy
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25 Aug 2009 10:24pm
Pointman said...


Worst thing is it happens like slo'mo. You feel the board start to run aground and you know what's coming next, but you don't have time to do anything about it. Scary $hit.


No slo-mo for me. It was so fast I think there must have been a rock on the sand bar. No warning, just a sudden dead stop as fin hit rock and then a sharp pain in my back as I hit the boom. It happened so fast I still cant quite work out how I got where I did!
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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26 Aug 2009 8:12am
Well I think I've just been turned off sailing at Squids or Swansea for that matter..I don't catapult very often but when i do i try & make sure Im hanging onto the boom as then I cant get twisted as much ( I'd be hooked in ). Already having a chronic neck & shoulder problem I want to avoid whiplash / twisty catapults.
Bit worrying as because I'm unfit & have weak spahgetti arms I always try & be hooked in ( even subplaning) & tend to try & have a foot hooked in the rear strap at least if it's gusty so i don't get thrown over the front ( like yesterday).
Well I was going to have a sail today but Ive got a lot to catch up on here so maybe i should take the safe option & stay home..
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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26 Aug 2009 8:20am
If you can avoid sailing in shallow water do so, your missus is wise, but may be a bit selfish in not wanting you to end up as a quadriplegic and thus being responsible for changing your colostomy bags.
I'm still on probation from the horse riding fall I had 2 years ago. I was jumping & the horse stopped dead put his head down, bucked & slammed me into the ground.The helmet still has a dint & my partner was freaked by the cracking noise as my head hit the dirt. I got helicoptered to hospital.I was lucky & got away with a few popped ribs & badly bruised shoulder.The amazing thing was my chronic neck problem wasn't injured..phew..
Probation has mellowed a bit.It was if I came off again the horse was to be retired , now its only if he spits me off nastily..The horse has been an angel ever since..It was my fault as I was pushing his buttons & ignored the warning signs because I was getting photos taken..ego again..
Sounds selfish but I must admit I wouldnt want to hang around & look after a paraplegic either..
NotWal
NotWal
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26 Aug 2009 9:31am
It's ony a tuttle box fin that will stop you. A Power box fin will just fall out with nothing more than a bit of a "snick" - same with Trim box.
Old Salty
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26 Aug 2009 9:42am
I'm still on probation from the horse riding fall I had 2 years ago. I was jumping & the horse stopped dead put his head down, bucked & slammed me into the ground.The helmet still has a dint & my partner was freaked by the cracking noise as my head hit the dirt. I got helicoptered to hospital.I was lucky & got away with a few popped ribs & badly bruised shoulder.The amazing thing was my chronic neck problem wasn't injured..phew..
Probation has mellowed a bit.It was if I came off again the horse was to be retired , now its only if he spits me off nastily..The horse has been an angel ever since..It was my fault as I was pushing his buttons & ignored the warning signs because I was getting photos taken..ego again


Hey SBC - your partner should be encouraging you more. To give up horse riding and take up Windsurfing. I think horse riding is in the top 5 of worst sports injuries from the insurance co. point of view. I know because my wife and daughter break a bone on average every 5 years now from horse riding. Damn animals with a brain the size of a peanut. The family say the same about me when I am chasing that next gust in the shallows and face plant and end up with a sore back/crooked neck. Like I did at Point Henry on Sunday
wormy
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26 Aug 2009 9:47am
You don't always have to hit the fin, my mate gybed in about 50cm, foot slid off the board and into the sand at about 20knts, snapped his ankle bone clean, 3 months of work and 5 months sailing gone.
For some reason he now stays offshore while we still play around in the waves, he's even scared of 4 foot water now.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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26 Aug 2009 10:17am
You don't always have to hit the fin, my mate gybed in about 50cm, foot slid off the board and into the sand at about 20knts, snapped his ankle bone clean, 3 months of work and 5 months sailing gone.
For some reason he now stays offshore while we still play around in the waves, he's even scared of 4 foot water now.

That's it..Im definitely going to stay home today & take up knitting..I tell you if you thought about all the things that could happen to you you wouldnt get out of bed..I think I might go down & check Swansea out ( knees trembling )..I've done my hour of work..
It's ony a tuttle box fin that will stop you. A Power box fin will just fall out with nothing more than a bit of a "snick" - same with Trim box
I've got a US system..? What would it do?
Mobydisc
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26 Aug 2009 10:29am
The US fin system is weaker than the powerbox system. If a US fin hits something at speed, the tab may snap. Sailing in shallower waters increases the risk of hitting the bottom and having an accident. However if you take it easy at first, scout around, wear polarised sunnies to see the bottom and are aware of the tide, the risk should be reduced.
wormy
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26 Aug 2009 10:31am
That's it..Im definitely going to stay home today & take up knitting..I tell you if you thought about all the things that could happen to you you wouldnt get out of bed..



Its like gybeing, Dont think about it, It will screw you over everytime
Windxtasy
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26 Aug 2009 9:44am


Hey SBC - your partner should be encouraging you more. To give up horse riding and take up Windsurfing. I think horse riding is in the top 5 of worst sports injuries from the insurance co. point of view. I know because my wife and daughter break a bone on average every 5 years now from horse riding. Damn animals with a brain the size of a peanut. The family say the same about me when I am chasing that next gust in the shallows and face plant and end up with a sore back/crooked neck. Like I did at Point Henry on Sunday


Old Salty is right.
Windsurfing is safe compared to horse riding.
No matter how good you are at horse riding a bad injury is always just around the corner. Horses get spooked so easily.
Forget the horse, go windsurfing!
Windxtasy
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26 Aug 2009 9:46am
NotWal said...

It's ony a tuttle box fin that will stop you. A Power box fin will just fall out with nothing more than a bit of a "snick" - same with Trim box.


I think the board I was riding was a Tiga. What fin system did they use?
Haggar
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26 Aug 2009 1:38pm
Well yes I've been doing 30 knts and hit a sandbank and stopped dead, trashed my boom and escaped serious injury.

But you dont need a sand bank, as some will know, I broke my neck in 3 places, nearly 2 years ago. Only doing 25 knts, rail tripped (the only time ever by the way) and went head 1st into my sail. Was wearing a helmet which probably saved my life. This was a freakish accident, but yes windsurfing is dangeorus, so I urge every one to take extreme care. I still speed sail, but am much more aware of what I am doing now ............

Hitting a sand bank is usually from being careless, so if you can remove this error, you are removing a chance of a serious injury
Richiefish
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26 Aug 2009 1:58pm
two beauts ! One time hit hard rocky bottom, snapped fin off. Board and rig etc went forward whilst I went over the back and landed ar5e/back down. no bad injury to me. Another time I hit soft bottom, got catapulted in harness over the top and slapped down on the sail. no injury to me but snapped boom/mast joint and mast uni.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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26 Aug 2009 4:07pm
Its like gybeing, Dont think about it, It will screw you over everytime
Thats probably why I'm stuffing up.I used to gybe Ok until I started thinking " ok now you sheet on & then .." splat..
Windsurfing is safe compared to horse riding.
No matter how good you are at horse riding a bad injury is always just around the corner. Horses get spooked so easily.
Forget the horse, go windsurfing!

Yep sailboarded today horse tomorrow..I agree I love them.If only you could get rid of their instincts..Still as a prey animal if they didnt view everything new as dangerous they wouldnt last long.Not much fun when your on them & they decide they want outa there!
Bluedog76
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26 Aug 2009 2:52pm
Managed to hit the reef at Lord Howe planning on a 140l board - not fully powered. Heard a slight knock on the fin and then the board spun sideways. No catapalt - just a missing fin.

The next day a couple of mates took the rubber ducky out and managed to find the fin obviously minus the screw lying on the bottom. Only a minor chip tothe fin and no damage to the board and a screw even went back in without any problems.

I will never doubt Pete's teasure hunting skills again.
hardpole
hardpole
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26 Aug 2009 4:28pm
My last sudden stop was coming into the finish of the Ledge to Lancelin this year, hit a cray float rope that was in between the two orange finish "gate" markers. Came to an instant stop and went over the nose. The worst thing was it was one of the few times I was actually planing during the whole race and there was a sailor each side of me both of whom obviously beat me !

My only really painful injury was when standing on shallows holding the sail a couple of years ago, somehow got slammed by a gust and thrown / flicked around (holding the sail) and landed on the boom, which was sitting against the rocky bottom. Hurt like hell for few weeks (although I did continue sailing at the time). When I complained to my father in law ( a retired GP) about the pain he just said, you havent cracked a rib it would hurt more ! How did he know how much it was hurting? The boom was broken (cracked the aluminium arm).

So you can get hurt from a standing start, no need for speed ;-)
patsken
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26 Aug 2009 5:16pm
I still have the scars on my shin about ten years on from hitting a fish - in the brief second pre-contact, it looked like a good sized salmon coming from right angle to my line.

In about 20 knots of wind the board stopped dead and I didn't !!

My harness line snapped but not before my forward momentum caused my body to launch itself forward and upwards and then body-slammed onto the water about ten feet in front of the board. On the way my right shin dragged along the luff of the sail and removed a good few layers of skin.

After my head cleared I started hearing the theme music to Jaws - what with a freshly filleted ?salmon? and a fair amount of shaved shin meat and blood in the water!!

It was a quick retrieval of board and water start back to shore to lick my wounds.

It doesn't take much to stop a board when sailing in a relaxed and fairly balanced cruise mode......
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