Any general rules for choosing harness line length

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sboardcrazy
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14 May 2010 10:29pm
Ive gone back to fixed lines & with my new boom I had to revert to some older lines which are a lot longer.I think I might buy some fixed ones a bit shorter.Ive raised my boom to c nose height ( light mainly subplaning conditions ) & the lines are still fairly far apart. They are good to hook in & out of in light conditions.
Anyway it got me wondering if theres any type of magic way of choosing harness line length..
B & J ( if it ever blows again..)
flipper4444
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14 May 2010 10:34pm
Windxtasy
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14 May 2010 9:55pm
you hold the boom in between the harness line attachments and the line should snugly fit behind your elbow.
sboardcrazy
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15 May 2010 10:31am
Windxtasy said...

you hold the boom in between the harness line attachments and the line should snugly fit behind your elbow.


That's what I used to do back in the 80's ..so things haven't changed that much after all.The new ones ( or really my older longer ones) are probably another 4" - 6" lower than my elblow and thats with the lines spaced about 1' apart..
flipper4444
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15 May 2010 11:18am
macca18
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15 May 2010 10:30pm
flipper4444 said...




Can someone(mod) boot flipper4444. He's a tool.!!!
mathew
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16 May 2010 2:50am
macca18 said...
Can someone(mod) boot flipper4444. He's a tool.!!!

He might be, but you're new here so you get a red thumb too... just for consistency!

The elbow-thing will make the harness line way too short if you are using a seat harness and still a bit short for a waist harness - but it is a reasonable start.

As Angulo says, "if all of the pro's are using long harness lines, then you should do it too".
nosinkanow
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16 May 2010 2:54pm
sboardcrazy said...

Windxtasy said...

you hold the boom in between the harness line attachments and the line should snugly fit behind your elbow.


That's what I used to do back in the 80's ..so things haven't changed that much after all.The new ones ( or really my older longer ones) are probably another 4" - 6" lower than my elblow and thats with the lines spaced about 1' apart..


Did you use a seat harness? They've always got to be a little longer. Here's a useful link, was for me anyway re: harness line length and location, I needed it to reaquaint myself.

www.guycribb.com/userfiles/documents/The%20Truth%20About%20Harness%20Lines.pdf

I noticed componentry and assembly methods have changed and the use of the "french-loop" style of attaching the webbing has been widely used now. Huge improvement and looks very neat. I got out of the sport when they were experimenting with tubes over the lines. I've still got old Ocean & Earth ones with lines thick enough to dock a small ship!

Apparently Dunkerbeck still prefers lines spaced further apart. A case of being used to the old school of thinking? I reckon if it worked then it should still today. Maybe why I didn't bother trying out the plastic tubed lines back then, I couldn't slide for or aft to trim the sail. Maybe I just couldn't get used to the idea of the hook staying in one place and load up the connection on the boom instead. Which seems to be the way everyone has gone nowadays. But is it better? [shrugs shoulders]

Just made an adjustable set, couldn't justify the asking price of vario length type. I'm using 8mm dyneema rope with black nylon air hose as a cover and 30mm webbing, double hand stitched everything with disused 50lb. braided (dyneema) fishing line. I can't see busting those stitches in a hurry. Still to be tested but should work fine. If you wanna see I can post 'em up here.

EDIT: I meant "seat" harness instead of waist harness in the first paragraph.
Breenli
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16 May 2010 3:02pm
wow, you guys really seem to put a lot of thought into the harness line length. i just shorten them if my ass touches the waves too much, that or raise the boom.
sboardcrazy
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16 May 2010 6:14pm
mathew said...

macca18 said...
Can someone(mod) boot flipper4444. He's a tool.!!!

He might be, but you're new here so you get a red thumb too... just for consistency!

The elbow-thing will make the harness line way too short if you are using a seat harness and still a bit short for a waist harness - but it is a reasonable start.

As Angulo says, "if all of the pro's are using long harness lines, then you should do it too".


arrrr..I use a seat harness..
sboardcrazy
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16 May 2010 6:16pm
nosinkanow said...

sboardcrazy said...

Windxtasy said...

you hold the boom in between the harness line attachments and the line should snugly fit behind your elbow.


That's what I used to do back in the 80's ..so things haven't changed that much after all.The new ones ( or really my older longer ones) are probably another 4" - 6" lower than my elblow and thats with the lines spaced about 1' apart..


Did you use a waist harness? They've always got to be a little longer. Here's a useful link, was for me anyway re: harness line length and location, I needed it to reaquaint myself.

www.guycribb.com/userfiles/documents/The%20Truth%20About%20Harness%20Lines.pdf

I noticed componentry and assembly methods have changed and the use of the "french-loop" style of attaching the webbing has been widely used now. Huge improvement and looks very neat. I got out of the sport when they were experimenting with tubes over the lines. I've still got old Ocean & Earth ones with lines thick enough to dock a small ship!

Apparently Dunkerbeck still prefers lines spaced further apart. A case of being used to the old school of thinking? I reckon if it worked then it should still today. Maybe why I didn't bother trying out the plastic tubed lines back then, I couldn't slide for or aft to trim the sail. Maybe I just couldn't get used to the idea of the hook staying in one place and load up the connection on the boom instead. Which seems to be the way everyone has gone nowadays. But is it better? [shrugs shoulders]

Just made an adjustable set, couldn't justify the asking price of vario length type. I'm using 8mm dyneema rope with black nylon air hose as a cover and 30mm webbing, double hand stitched everything with disused 50lb. braided (dyneema) fishing line. I can't see busting those stitches in a hurry. Still to be tested but should work fine. If you wanna see I can post 'em up here.



Wouldn't mind having a look. I cant use my adjustables with this boom as you can't open the ends wide enough to get them over the end of the boom..
Windxtasy
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16 May 2010 10:15pm
I use a seat harness too.
flipper4444
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17 May 2010 12:46am
seat harnesses are good
nosinkanow
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NSW
441 posts
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18 May 2010 12:10am
sboardcrazy, you should be able to force the line through the loop to open it wider. Got a pic?

Anyway, if anyone wishes to have a go at making your own adjustable length harness lines here you go, it's length varies from 22" to around 30", any length you want really, it all depends on how much rope you need to use. Total cost less than $20 for the pair. You could spend more on higher spec materials eg. heavier webbing but too tough to sew without an industrial sewing machine. Hand-sewn, assembly time roughly over 2 footy games over 2 nights in front of the tele. Quicker without beer stops and yelling abuse at the referee.







The adjustable block is self-locking and I don't think has been done before, spent a bit of time thinking about this one, currently thinking how to adjust it on the fly.





Just need to test it now.
flanagaj
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18 May 2010 5:36am
I use 30" and a wast harness. The beauty about long lines is that you keep the rig away from you and more upright.

All the good instructors will push you to use longer lines.
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