Another FKD build

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Imax1
Imax1
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31 Aug 2020 11:11am
I thought id build another board on the FKD principals.
I totally assed the design and it worked way better than i hoped.
So its going to be 20 cm shorter at 270 cm and narrower 6 cm at 78 cm.
No rear rocker for 130 cm and sharp square rails all the way.
A lighter layup.
Its still going to be a whopper but less whoppery and hopefully faster . I want to up the speed of the FKD , so ill call it ..... FKD up .

I wasnt going to post pics , but apparently i have to , its some kind of law . It will be condensed .

To save cost ( $200 ) , i glued together 50mm cool room sheets to make the blank . It seems harder than 13 kg foam but not as hard as 17. I didnt want to use glue because it leaves a hard layer that mucks with shaping , so i used expand foam in a can , thinking it will be a softer join to shape. DUMB MOVE ! Even with many bricks to hold things down it foamed the sheets apart , 1cm in places . It will be OK , just a lot more work and ill have to fill a few voids with expand foam . It wont be pretty . So as far as gluing a slab together ? , i probably should have used a PVA glue , or better still paid for a nice block of foam.



mob dog
mob dog
NSW
290 posts
NSW, 290 posts
31 Aug 2020 6:16pm
Will there be cut outs on the 2021 model ? I've always liked the idea on those boards that have the screw in plates so then you've got a convertible, would be a good way to see if they really make much difference or not
forceten
forceten
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1312 posts
31 Aug 2020 10:13pm
I missed what FDK IS
olskool
olskool
QLD
2462 posts
QLD, 2462 posts
1 Sep 2020 2:58am
forceten said..
I missed what FDK IS


FKD is Imax1 logo. Fat Kat Designs.
Carindale
Carindale
QLD
331 posts
QLD, 331 posts
1 Sep 2020 6:38am
Yay! Another build. Given you have almost 30knots on the original, this is practically a speed board!! Looking forward to lots of pics.
normster
normster
NSW
348 posts
NSW, 348 posts
1 Sep 2020 8:49am
is there link to first one ?
Tardy
Tardy
5337 posts
5337 posts
1 Sep 2020 8:11am
I think the F stands for factory now ...thinking of placing a order for a tandem .
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
1 Sep 2020 2:44pm
normster said..
is there link to first one ?



Sarch ...Yet another board build . super light wind heavy pilot special .
Its about 20 down.
regal1
regal1
NSW
454 posts
NSW, 454 posts
1 Sep 2020 3:03pm
Foil board next up?
olskool
olskool
QLD
2462 posts
QLD, 2462 posts
1 Sep 2020 5:13pm
Imax1, 270x78 so 150litres maybe more?
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
1 Sep 2020 6:59pm
olskool said..
Imax1, 270x78 so 150litres maybe more?


Yeah about that.
I could , mark a line halfway along the board .
Dip it in the pool and push it down with the bathroom scales to the line . Take note of weight .
Flip board over and do the same to the line .
add two figures together minus twice the weight of board .
find out how much more dense salt water pool is
add that percentage to scale weight figure and it should be pretty close .
I most definitely forgot at least one factor ,
Its at least a three person job and beer.
or
just call it 160 litres
Stretchy
Stretchy
WA
1053 posts
WA, 1053 posts
1 Sep 2020 7:06pm
Love your humour iMax
forceten
forceten
1312 posts
1312 posts
1 Sep 2020 11:00pm
Stretchy said..
Love your humour iMax


You must be sic8 as well then
forceten
forceten
1312 posts
1312 posts
1 Sep 2020 11:08pm
Ok, this is not my formula, it was presented on this forum by a poster whose name I shall not disclose.

for volume
take Length X width X thickness X .8 then again X .8 divided by 1000= liters.

this takes into account only the widest part and the thickest, where I guess the . 8 equation enters.

using this my Tabou Rocket 135liters.
250x72x 11.75x .8x .8 / 1000= 135.36

i use a math formula to determine toe in on installation, that's works peachy.
olskool
olskool
QLD
2462 posts
QLD, 2462 posts
2 Sep 2020 5:46am
Imax1 said..

olskool said..
Imax1, 270x78 so 150litres maybe more?



Yeah about that.
I could , mark a line halfway along the board .
Dip it in the pool and push it down with the bathroom scales to the line . Take note of weight .
Flip board over and do the same to the line .
add two figures together minus twice the weight of board .
find out how much more dense salt water pool is
add that percentage to scale weight figure and it should be pretty close .
I most definitely forgot at least one factor ,
Its at least a three person job and beer.
or
just call it 160 litres

Cmon Maxi !! Weve been talking about this build for years..... Do the Math!!
mr love
mr love
VIC
2421 posts
VIC, 2421 posts
2 Sep 2020 9:00am
Guys.....Download a copy of Shape3D lite. Block in your shape and you will know exacly what the volume is, its easy to use. Simple to adjust the board thicker, wider etc once you have it blocked in. For your build you can print out templates.
AusMoz
AusMoz
QLD
1514 posts
QLD, 1514 posts
2 Sep 2020 5:03pm
Have it ready in 2 weeks! You know why!
Imax1
Imax1
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4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
2 Sep 2020 7:01pm
AusMoz said..
Have it ready in 2 weeks! You know why!


Two weeks ?
I just started .
FKD up will be a month away.
olskool
olskool
QLD
2462 posts
QLD, 2462 posts
3 Sep 2020 2:46am
Imax1 said..


AusMoz said..
Have it ready in 2 weeks! You know why!




Two weeks ?
I just started .
FKD up will be a month away.



Two weeks? Thats plenty of time for an island living retiree... Dont worry about the Wife or neighbours or taking the dog for a walk.....
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
3 Sep 2020 7:46am
A month. Thats factory pace!
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
3 Sep 2020 1:27pm
NEVER glue slabs of foam together with foam in a can . Spend the $ .
As you can see there are gaps that need to be filled .There are parts that i had to pick off because of gaps in the foam glue . I dont want any soft spots so i had to hack a bit . Otherwise it shaped ok .







Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
3 Sep 2020 1:36pm
First bogging with a lot of Qcell.
Ill have to be careful here , finish sanding with the hard bog and soft foam . Gently gently .
Did i mention , dont be cheap and glue foam together .


Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
3 Sep 2020 2:05pm
Issues aside it's powering along.
olskool
olskool
QLD
2462 posts
QLD, 2462 posts
3 Sep 2020 2:32pm
IMAX, so fast outta the blocks!!
Didnt even get time to hit the stopwatch at the start.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
3 Sep 2020 6:16pm
yep density difference is the enemy of good shaping. Have you got a spoke shave or very small plane? Set it very fine and run along the join when you get close. Abrasion will just make a lump at the higher density spot, no matter how careful you are.
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
3 Sep 2020 8:34pm
^^^
I know I'm going to have to be delicate.
I don't have a mini plane , thinking of a mini sanding block or a fine flapper wheel .
The foam glue join is not too hard , but it is there .
I think I'll just go under In iffy areas . Glass the blank , then it will be easy to bog to get perfect before sandwich foam .
Then I can sleep at night and get on with the job , and it will be just a bad memory , reminding me never to do that again.
I estimate the great idea will cost me about 300 gm inc foam glue .
.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
3 Sep 2020 6:49pm
yes going under and bogging the glass is the 2nd best way out.
Paducah
Paducah
2833 posts
2833 posts
3 Sep 2020 11:50pm
Any reason not to use pour foam in the bigger gaps next time? Lighter and cures faster. I haven't seen as many issues with having to sand it next to styro in my limited experience. I use masking tape and cling wrapped cardboard as dams/forms. Has much better consistency than can foam if you mix enough of it to get a good batch. My only bad batch was a small one for a small spot I wanted to fill.

Edit: Personally, I don't think the weight of the bog is a big deal. It is nice that the foam will set up quicker than the epoxy and much easier to shape.
Imax1
Imax1
QLD
4937 posts
QLD, 4937 posts
4 Sep 2020 8:02am
I actually did on the big patch . But I used can foam and it wasn't perfect so went over with bog . I should have done what you said , ( I got pour foam ) . There were a lot of smaller areas so I just bogged them .
Shifu
Shifu
QLD
1997 posts
QLD, 1997 posts
4 Sep 2020 3:42pm
forceten said..
Ok, this is not my formula, it was presented on this forum by a poster whose name I shall not disclose.

for volume
take Length X width X thickness X .8 then again X .8 divided by 1000= liters.

this takes into account only the widest part and the thickest, where I guess the . 8 equation enters.

using this my Tabou Rocket 135liters.
250x72x 11.75x .8x .8 / 1000= 135.36

i use a math formula to determine toe in on installation, that's works peachy.


This works well! (presumably for conventially shaped boards)

I think .8 x .8 could be simply expressed as x .64
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
4 Sep 2020 4:24pm
Boardcad lets you put photos in the outline, rocker and cross section frames. You drag the outline to match your photos and your area and volume are calculated as you go. It's easy to do, and free.

You just need to be a little careful taking your photos to align the camera properly. I used a tripod.

Shape3D Lite is nice but all the good stuff costs.
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