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mintaro
mintaro
VIC
32 posts
VIC, 32 posts
5 Nov 2007 4:55pm
Hey guys,
After wanting to get into the sport for at least 15 years, I finally went windsurfing with my mate in Perth earlier this year.

I'm a big guy (6' 100Kg) and consequently didn't get very far on his 78L board in patchy wind. A few days later I hired a beginners board -- one of the big fat blue ones -- and got stuck into it.

My mate advised me to get something around the 110L -- 120L range. And not to get something too beginner-ish because I would very quickly past the beginner level and want something a little better.

So, I have been looking around at second hand equipment, but I'm completely miffed at what would suit me.

I went in to RPS in Brighton and told the guy what I am after. He laughed and said, no way. You need a 170L beginner board. Oh, and I just happen to have one out the back. $2,500.

I can understand what he is saying. If I get a smaller board, my learning curve will be too slow and I'll lose interest in the sport. However. I do beleive that I will not be perterbed at this.

So, what I am wondering, is there anybody with some advice? Go for the big boat, or go for what my mate, who has seen me sail, advised?

I have thought about lessons too. But I did pay $360 for kite surfing lessons and they did nothing over 4 1/2 hours that I couldn't have taught myself in 1/2 an hour. On the third lesson, where I get to have a go on a board, I had 3 goes. I was getting the hang of standing up and going for a little bit. But then we had to stop because it was the end of the lesson.

I am totally confident that I will pick it up pretty quickly. I just need a board. And sail. And mast. And those other little bits that I know nothing about.

Another thought is hiring a board for a couple of hours or so. However, I am 5 mins from Altona beach. I am prepared to go to Brighton and hire a board, but if there is anyone close by that would let me have a turn on their board, and offer advice and what-not, that would be awesome.

And please, I am a newcomer so do tell me if I am out of line and totally wrong and that it would be good to buy the $2,500 177L Go from RPS.


Cheers
knot board
knot board
QLD
1241 posts
QLD, 1241 posts
5 Nov 2007 4:02pm
The guy at the store was correct, you should buy the 177L board and a Toyota Van to carry it around in.
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
5 Nov 2007 4:10pm
knot board said...

The guy at the store was correct, you should buy the 177L board and a Toyota Van to carry it around in.


You sarcastic barstard
JayBee
JayBee
NSW
714 posts
NSW, 714 posts
5 Nov 2007 5:16pm
Because you are not small (about the same size as me), you will find that anything below 120L will not have enough volume for you to uphaul regardless of your skill levels. The board will submerge unless and you will have a real struggle to keep your balance on it when the water is up to your knees. I have seen some guys do it, but they are mega experienced and have skills far beyond my ability.

When I started back into windsurfing I got a 150L board, and it was very comfortable, not too big, not too small. At 80cm wide it had good stability and was forgiving of my ineptitude. BUT I was already able to windsurf (tack, gybe, harness, straps, sail upwind effectively etc), albeit poorly.

I would be inclined to rent a massive board (>80cm wide, >160L volume) for a few days to learn the basics, then buy something between 145-160L. It will last you a lot longer then you think before you outgrow it.

Take a look at the Buy&Sell above, there are some good high(ish) volume boards going quite cheaply, certainly a lot cheaper then $2500.

JB
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
QLD, 1628 posts
5 Nov 2007 4:18pm
Mintaro hire the gear untill you get better and have more understanding of the equipment.
$2500 pfffft thats alot of lessons man .For that money you could have a holiday in lancelin with hire gear for a cupla weeks and learn more than you would in 2 years in vico.
Zed
Zed
WA
1274 posts
Zed Zed
WA, 1274 posts
5 Nov 2007 3:46pm
It all depends how often you plan to sail, how quickly you pick up new sports, balance etc etc. The best thing to do would be to get a beginners board, then progress to a mid-range then a short board. But that could be expensive. You could go for the 120l board, but you would have to expect some frustration to start with. If I was you, I'd get the 120l and have a few lessons so that at least you understand what you need to do, then it's a matter of practise.
boardboy
boardboy
QLD
554 posts
QLD, 554 posts
5 Nov 2007 4:58pm
mate i reckon you should get a start or go or something similar. These boards are super easy to learn on, my mate got planing, in the footstraps and harness 3rd time out!
I dont reckon you will grow out of these boards as fast as a lot of people will tell you! I have re-discovered the fun you can have on these boards even as relatively experienced sailor. The go well in light winds and get moving when the wind picks up, even jumped (this will scare the s@#t out of you).
mintaro
mintaro
VIC
32 posts
VIC, 32 posts
5 Nov 2007 6:14pm
knot board said...

The guy at the store was correct, you should buy the 177L board and a Toyota Van to carry it around in.


Actually, I am planning on building a trailer for my treadley to carry it to the beach. I don't have a car.

Thanks for your replies too.

I was planning on hiring something in the next few days. I'll see how this pans out.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
5 Nov 2007 6:43pm
Mintaro,

My recommendation...buy your weight plus 40L to start with, which will become your light wind board. Easy to uphaul, and easy to get planing. When you have improved, you will then want to get something about 30 litres smaller for stronger wind.

Regards,
Harrow.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
5 Nov 2007 6:52pm
Same scenario as myself and a mate only a couple of years ago, 110kgs, bought new rigs/boards (7.5m sails, 165lt boards), easy to learn on, and still great to ride in light/mod winds. The GO is a good board, but I wouldn't go above 155lt (you'll be 'itching' to get on a smaller board in no time!)

I recently got a 135lt Fanatic cross, and with our local 'gusty' conditions, it still is a bit of work if the wind's not consistent, whereas with the 165lt board, I can downsize (or downhaul) my sail to handle gusts, and still keep planing through lulls.

RPS's guys are very helpful and will give you good advice too, but they still have to make sales...
Arlo
Arlo
SA
139 posts
SA, 139 posts
5 Nov 2007 7:58pm
If you can, I would suggest you demo a couple of boards for a day and see how you get on, but you'll probably need more than an hour or 2 cos you're likely to struggle to start with on anything <170L. Grand Fromage demo'd a JP Funster 160L at the weekend and as a result has decided to go for a GO 144L (unless he's changed his mind since ). Again he struggled to start with but was pootling along in the direction he wanted by the end of the day.

As has already been said, there is a hell of a lot to be said for paying for a couple of hours tuition; as soon as you can get to the point where the board is moving forwards (as opposed to drifting sideways), to a certain extent the volume becomes less of an issue. It doesn't take that much forward movement for a board that is knee depth under the water when you uphaul to be on the surface when it is moving. Not that I am suggesting you getting anything that small!
big-gazza
big-gazza
WA
101 posts
WA, 101 posts
5 Nov 2007 7:08pm
Im 6'5" & 100 kg. - one of my first decent boards was the Tiga FreeX 283 - it is 283 long, about 69 wide and 152 litres - great board with plenty of reserve volume for us big guys - and good to uphaul; the Tiga FreeX is identical to the Bic Techno 283 - they are different colours - the Bic is blue and the Tiga yellow/orange, but identical in shape etc. You can pick these up s/hand for much less than a grand. I sold mine for $450. These boards have a plastic outer skin - and are very hardy.

I now have a Kinetic Gladiator 115 litre
mintaro
mintaro
VIC
32 posts
VIC, 32 posts
6 Nov 2007 3:48am
Man, you guys are rockin' my world right now. And pretty much re-affirming what my mate in WA has said.

I'll see if anything is available tomorrow to hire -- being Melbourne cup day and all of that stuff.

On my second go of a sailboard, the big blue tanker, I was sailing along pretty well. Turning around and going back the other way without falling off too many times. And going upwind too. Albeit slightly. On a couple of the gusts I got a glimpse of what it would be like in stronger wind. But those moments only lasted for a few seconds. Then the wind dropped again.

I can't wait to have my own board and go sailing! I just want to make sure that I chose well. Usually I just jump into things, but I reckon that I'll be pretty serious getting into sailing. So I want to make good decisions.

Thanks again for all of your words of advice. Very much appreciated.
grandfromage
grandfromage
WA
344 posts
WA, 344 posts
6 Nov 2007 9:44am
we sound very similar, although you are slightly heavier than me (5kg maybe)

i am also new to the sport, and have been through the dilemma of choosing my first board.

as arlo said, i went for a starboaard go 144 after hours of deliberation. good to learn, but will give plenty of enjoyment later down the track. but arlo's (and everybody else's) advice is well worth taking. a few demos / lessons i would say is the way to go. we are fairly limited here in SA as far as demos and lessons go, but given that luxury, id definately take it, then straight away buy something more advanced.

arlo gave me a few pointers at the weekend and helped a great deal. you may figure it out yourself, but will just take a little longer.

all the best with it mate.
windsurfy
windsurfy
WA
12 posts
WA, 12 posts
6 Nov 2007 4:17pm
Wanted, Victorian Windsurfing Enthusiast.

Your Mission: To help me introduce Scott to the sport. Take him for a ride on your gear. I did. He's a fast learner and good bloke.

Ask for his number and give him a buzz and get him on the edge. This guys going to be the next Bjorn Dunkerbek I'm sure.

Imagine saying you introduced Bjorn Dunkerbek to windsurfing.

I'm in WA otherwise I would be of better help.
Go
Go
VIC
28 posts
Go Go
VIC, 28 posts
6 Nov 2007 8:45pm
Mintaro - I am 115 kg heavy, 195 cm tall, I recently bought Go 166 Ltr and I am going to sail regularly in Altona. Not too many windsurfers on this side of Melbourne, strange as Altona is really good. If you are interested, email me and we could meet one day on the beach. My opinion is: don't buy any board yet, rent for some time. I wouldn't definitely buy any board smaller than 140 ltr, or say 130. One more thing: buy Go - this is most popular board in the world, probably the best board at your stage of skills and you will be always able to sell it for a good price in future.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
6 Nov 2007 10:10pm
Go said...

Mintaro - I am 115 kg heavy, 195 cm tall, I recently bought Go 166 Ltr and I am going to sail regularly in Altona. Not too many windsurfers on this side of Melbourne, strange as Altona is really good. If you are interested, email me and we could meet one day on the beach. My opinion is: don't buy any board yet, rent for some time. I wouldn't definitely buy any board smaller than 140 ltr, or say 130. One more thing: buy Go - this is most popular board in the world, probably the best board at your stage of skills and you will be always able to sell it for a good price in future.


Good onya Go,

Only new to the forum and already sharing the knowledge.

Keep it up, if I get a chance to go for a sail this side of Melb, I'll look you up, hope both you, and Mintaro enjoy the learning experience as I am.....2yrs in, attempting (small) jumps, probably could've progressed quicker, but enjoy the flatwater too much!

Brendan B
Brendan B
1 posts
1 posts
16 Nov 2007 2:26pm
hey there mintaro, don't really do the forum thing but noticed your postings. I work at rps and justed wanted to clarify with yourself and others reading this post that our Go boards are actually RRP $1699. You might be quoting a full package price???? These boards are one of the biggest selling boards of all time around the world. Mostly they sell s/hand for approx. $1450. This is a very good return for you once you grow out of it, whenever that may be!

5 out of 6 of our staff have been windsurfing over 20 years+ each and take our recommendations very seriously. 3 of us have been instructing for more than 10 years each, and seen people of all ages, sexes and ability levels come through lessons, and yes sometimes individuals surprise us with their rapid learning skills. This may be you. We are in the business because we love it and want others to enjoy it as much as we all do.

Remember we do have a school and a rental facility which operates 7 days per week. As many others have indicated, if your are in doubt of our recommendations then take us up on a FREE hire of a go board to put your mind at ease. You will not be dissapointed.

Good luck with your windsurfing and remember we are hear to help you no matter what stage of windsurfing you are at.

cheers
brendan
Muzza12
Muzza12
NSW
546 posts
NSW, 546 posts
17 Nov 2007 1:12am
Grandfromage,
Great to hear you decided on the Go.
You can demo Starboard boards (and MauiSails) at Glascraft in SA, we can also help you out with instruction, tips and advice.
I'm out of the water for the next few months after surgery, but happy to give you any pointers etc to get you progressing.

Cheers,
Muzza
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