White Pointers are bastards

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Dadinabarrel
Dadinabarrel
WA
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WA, 128 posts
27 Dec 2008 7:22pm
I hate those ****ing things
KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
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WA, 1322 posts
27 Dec 2008 9:37pm
I heard that some pore sole got taken this morning. RIP ..............
Dadinabarrel
Dadinabarrel
WA
128 posts
WA, 128 posts
27 Dec 2008 9:48pm
G'day Kearnsy, I just posted this on a NSW thread a few minutes ago

The place the poor bugger was taken today is where we see one every second or third year. A big black dropoff, very close to the shore, the deepest part of the bay.

The last sighting there was when a large white loomed up out of the dropoff and grabbed a young dolphin, then racked off never to be seen again, pretty much what happened today.

It's this time of the year, every year we see them in Perth, between now and late Feb. But they are always out there somewhere. They are an amazing creature, one of the last dinosaurs, no doubt, but If the government is serious about protecting these animals from being hunted to extinction they need to show that they are serious about protecting us from them.

All Great Whites need to be tagged and their location constantly monitored so that this can't happen again, ever.

Loner
Loner
WA
122 posts
WA, 122 posts
27 Dec 2008 9:48pm
Indo tubes said...

I hate those ****ing things


White Pointers are creatures of the wild just as are the countless thousands of other creatures and spiecies that we humans have tormented, tortured and slaughtered for centuries.
It is little wonder that due to the on going deterioration of our planet's ocean's which is the result of polution created by us, there is now a greatly reduced source of natural food that these creatures of the sea have been able to feed on. As a result they seek elsewhere for survival.
So called " shark eco tours " that take paying participants out to the Shark's natural habitat for the foolish and irresponsible " thrill of it " experience do nothing but torment sharks. The saying " what you reap you will sow " surely are words to absorb and think about in this case.
Sharks, as any creature in the wild can be sensibly and humanely treated if we simply
LEAVE THEM ALONE.
In many ways it is we humans who are the culprits here.
It would be foolish to " blame " Sharks for thier actions.
They are predators in the wild who searh for food to survive, just like species such as the African Lion and the thousands of others that are now nearing distinction.
It is of course tragic in the extreme to hear of the incidents of Shark attacks.
But don't blame the Sharks.
Dadinabarrel
Dadinabarrel
WA
128 posts
WA, 128 posts
27 Dec 2008 10:03pm
Blah, blah, blah, the poor bloody sharks. No it is not their fault, we have hunted and harrassed them globally, that is obvious, however if the government is concerned enough to protect them from extinction, surely it is not unreasionable to expect they would do the same for us.

They already have tagged whites that they track from Streaky bay in SA right up to Exmouth in WA. If they applied a bit more funding and tracked them all, another tragedy klike we saw today in WA may be less likely. There is one very sad family in Perth tonight who have lost their father and husband.
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
27 Dec 2008 10:12pm
You are joking arent you ? Tag every shark in the ocean and then if someone gets eaten it's the governments fault. Sharks are there. If you go into the ocean there is a small chance you will be eaten and a large chance you wont be ,simple as that. If you're too scared stay home.
Dadinabarrel
Dadinabarrel
WA
128 posts
WA, 128 posts
27 Dec 2008 10:20pm
No I'm not. There would only be 50 Whites left on the WA coast to tag. They are the only sharks that eat people. I am not the slightest bit scared of sharks and have surfed/kited and sailed with them in the water plenty of times. If you had a family member or a friend who had been taken, I'm pretty sure you would start looking for a solution that would protect the whites from us as well as protecting us from them.
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
27 Dec 2008 10:49pm
If you go into the ocean there are a number of things that can go wrong that you wont have much control over. I think it's just part of the deal. If you go sailing your boat might get sunk in a storm. If you go snorkeling you might get stung by a ray or bitten by a shark.
I dont think it's got much to do with the government.
Thats it from me.
DL
DL
WA
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DL DL
WA, 659 posts
27 Dec 2008 11:03pm
Indo tubes said...

If you had a family member or a friend who had been taken, I'm pretty sure you would start looking for a solution that would protect the whites from us as well as protecting us from them.


I would have thought so too, but it always surprises me how often the family says:

"He loved the ocean and loved all sea creatures and we don't think he would want the shark killed"

If there was a shark eating people at my local, I'd certainly want it killed.
Loner
Loner
WA
122 posts
WA, 122 posts
28 Dec 2008 8:17am
Indo tubes said...

Blah, blah, blah, the poor bloody sharks. No it is not their fault, we have hunted and harrassed them globally, that is obvious, however if the government is concerned enough to protect them from extinction, surely it is not unreasionable to expect they would do the same for us.

They already have tagged whites that they track from Streaky bay in SA right up to Exmouth in WA. If they applied a bit more funding and tracked them all, another tragedy klike we saw today in WA may be less likely. There is one very sad family in Perth tonight who have lost their father and husband.


Blah, blah blah ?
Please don't for one minute infer that I may be any less caring or sympathetic in my feelings for the victims and families of these savage Shark attacks because I object to that.
You may have watched the interview with one of the family members regarding this recent shark attack. While having to endure the tragic loss of thier family member, this family has the common sense and understanding not to request the hunting down and killing of the Shark. As he said when interviewed :
" These are the ways of nature and we must respect them. "
My heart goes out to this family and all others who have had to suffer the same tragic experience.


KEARNSY
KEARNSY
WA
1322 posts
WA, 1322 posts
28 Dec 2008 8:20am
As surfers Im sure its one of our ongoing concearns.
To be honest Its the worst way to go .

Last year I jumped in the tank at Hillarys with 25 or so sharks. At first it was quite intimidating but once I chilled out and relaxed a bit it was one of the most amazing experiences of all time. They are truely an amazing animal with out a doubt.

At the end of the day we have a higher chance of getting hit by a car than taken by a shark. Honestly, If you dont feel safe in the water- get out.
I've been spooked a coupe of times and left the lineup. I guess there's a lot to be said for "gut feeling".
Sharks will always be there and so will I ,(well at least for another 40 years or so).
And on that note Im goin surfing...............
SammyJ
SammyJ
WA
571 posts
WA, 571 posts
28 Dec 2008 6:28pm
I'm with Indo on this topic.... Isn't a shark a fish.... Don't fisherman go out everyday and haul in fish after fish for pleasure and eating, no questions asked by authorities as long as it's sized and you don't exceed your bag limit.

I think the argument around the stats of fatal attack's compared to how many sharks humans kill is ridiculous. Out of the 100,000 killed not one is a white pointer because remember, they are protected right. Then you have to think about which nationality are the main culprits around the world, I'd put money on it that Australia makes up a small percentage.

I tend to think the media manipulate families responses by asking inapropriate questions knowing the sufferers are under duress, the last thing they need is to come under public scrutiny. So they just say diplomatic responses like "DON"T KILL THE SHARK". I could be wrong, very wrong. So for that reason I've discussed with my wife what I want her to tell them if I was unfortunate enough to be attacked.

In all reality, I think at the least there should be a tagging process in place to track them enabling authorities to at least issue warnings. That would be a proactive step towards reducing the loss of human life. It's not that hard, ever attack so far they show an ariel view of the shark at the bow of a boat with some guy just leaning over looking at it with a perfect opportunity to shoot or tag it. But then you read crap like "oh it might not have been that shark". For christ sake, I'm sure mounting a tracking device won't upset these beast's to much.

BTW I'm sorry if I've offended anyone with MY comments but that's all they are, MY COMMENTS. I've endured the loss of a friend back in 2005, to see the grieving is heartbreaking. The worst part is that when there's an attack or fatality they have to relive it all over again because his and all the other recnt victims names get mentioned everytime. for example in today's paper, just like when it happened most his personal details were incorrect and the facts not acurate. It's the ongoing trauma for these families that needs to be reduced.

I'll also let you know that people are seeing more than get reported. Why report it if authorities won't issue warnings. For example fishing friend that regularly tells me he gets a visit nearly every night when they go to their spot for snapper. It's getting to the point they pull up anchor when the whites turn up because they no longer get the fish in quick enough before it's taken. They are not small either 4-5m whites just off shore in the rockingham area.

Can anyone answer this question....

At what point do endangered species no longer need protecting I think the last 10 years figures show their not that endangered.



lalalamort
lalalamort
NSW
160 posts
NSW, 160 posts
28 Dec 2008 8:38pm
Perhaps by killing the ones that attack humans we can breed out the sharks that have a tendency to attack humans
DL
DL
WA
659 posts
DL DL
WA, 659 posts
28 Dec 2008 7:46pm
lalalamort said...

Perhaps by killing the ones that attack humans we can breed out the sharks that have a tendency to attack humans


My thoughts exactly.

Let selective breeding do its work.
wormy
wormy
QLD
679 posts
QLD, 679 posts
28 Dec 2008 9:00pm
Maybe we could throw in anger managment, counsiling and human awarness education as well
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
28 Dec 2008 8:32pm
Some really great ideas here. What if we caught them all and put corks on the end of their teeth so they cant hurt you when they bight. I like the counselling one too.
If only the sharks could just get in touch with their emotions more. We'd all be a lot happier.
Deal with it.
Dadinabarrel
Dadinabarrel
WA
128 posts
WA, 128 posts
28 Dec 2008 10:07pm
Forums always seem to attract people who have a tendancy to shoot their mouth off in a way that they wouldn't normally if they were in a face to face discussion, this one is no exception.

Thanks for your support Sambo

R.I.P Brad Smith
cranky
cranky
440 posts
440 posts
29 Dec 2008 1:10pm
The media would have us believe there are sharks out there that are dedicated man hunters waiting to get us, to the shark that poor soul was just sustenance for another day. Lets live and let live, when we enter the water we enter the food chain.
beastsurf
beastsurf
WA
902 posts
WA, 902 posts
29 Dec 2008 1:33pm
Indo tubes sorry about your mate. It sounds like a novel idea to tag the men in grey suits. A bit of initiative. keep tabs on them. I hear the japs are good at researching large marine creatures.

To say its safer in the water than on the roads is a sad inditement of our society. It seems to me we have become lasy. Its easier to say you can't do that or its to hard that than to give it a go. We seem to be comfortable with how many people die on our roads or fall ill of drugs and maybe now of how many get eaten by large animals. I don't believe our ancestres would have thought the same way in the 50s or 60's and thank goodness they had a bit more guts in the forties.

Peace and happy new year
Handi
Handi
WA
64 posts
WA, 64 posts
30 Dec 2008 4:29pm
tagging is the only way,a bit hard to get the little buggers to hold still tho !it is so sad to see,but as is the way with mankind ,if it kills us, then lets kill it attitude is one that has to change.we all love being in the water doing whatever we enjoy doing,any person who truly loves the ocean ,respects it and its forces,and anything that lives below.the only people i see who usually want these awesome creatures dead,is simple minded humans who dont frequent the water in some form.What would you do if someone came and raided your fridge and pantry cupboard bare?
Handi
Handi
WA
64 posts
WA, 64 posts
30 Dec 2008 4:47pm
PS,Indo Tubes,it is always sad for family and freinds,but why any different to a common occurence like a car accident.9 people in WA have died on the roads ,40 odd Australia wide over these holidays,and with out a doubt ,more to come.No one seems to be out hunting these drivers and asking for them to be tagged or killed ,let alone be front page "car horror". 4 fatal shark attacks in 8 years on WA coast,can someone come up with a figure on car deaths for that period....that scares me far more
SammyJ
SammyJ
WA
571 posts
WA, 571 posts
30 Dec 2008 5:27pm
Handi said...

the only people i see who usually want these awesome creatures dead,is simple minded humans who dont frequent the water in some form.


No need for those comments, we are only making our opinion heard like everyone else. Saying that, a lot of people still don't comment because of people like you who seem to think you can berate others because they have different thoughts on the matter.

SammyJ
SammyJ
WA
571 posts
WA, 571 posts
30 Dec 2008 5:54pm
Handi said...

PS,Indo Tubes,it is always sad for family and freinds,but why any different to a common occurence like a car accident.9 people in WA have died on the roads ,40 odd Australia wide over these holidays,and with out a doubt ,more to come.No one seems to be out hunting these drivers and asking for them to be tagged or killed ,let alone be front page "car horror". 4 fatal shark attacks in 8 years on WA coast,can someone come up with a figure on car deaths for that period....that scares me far more


Dude thats a bad analogy. Yes people have accidents and die, but not through lack of warnings. Every day we see things like police issuing warnings, road signs telling us the speed limit and possible hazards the government spend millions on graphic advertising etc...etc all in the hope to reduce road fatalities. What do we see them doing about sharks?? they send a helicopter up for a couple of months a year only weekends and pubic holidays. Now you mention simple minds, these are the people running the country, they think sharks only come on certain days.

I have just spoken to someone that said the beaches are closed again today because the shark was sighted in the same area this morning.

My proposal would be
*To set up a designated website to track sharks.The government could do commercial advertising on the site to cover some costs. It would be the most hit website in Australia I would imagine.
*Get the fisherman involved by reporting regular sightings and give coordinates so research teams can go out and attract them for tagging.
*Send the chopper up everyday through summer with a boat ready to respond.
* every 2 years or how ever long the device lasts track them and replace.
* I'm sure there's enough enthusiast out there to form a team. maybe teams already doing research, uni grads etc.

I really don't now the exact solution. I know that they aren't going to start killing sharks that attack, so the above are just ideas to be proactive, giving people a chance to make a more calculated decision.

Ian Burgess
Ian Burgess
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
30 Dec 2008 10:23pm
I am in two minds about tagging sharks. If used for the right reasons it's a great idea but if the technology is not properly regulated then there will always be that money hungry prick that will start up shark tours off our coast using the tags to locate and then baiting to have them come in close.
Tux
Tux
VIC
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Tux Tux
VIC, 3829 posts
31 Dec 2008 11:22am
Indo tubes said...

There would only be 50 Whites left on the WA coast to tag. They are the only sharks that eat people.


First sorry about you mate...but I'm pretty sure you will find that Bronzies, Tigers, Makos and Bull sharks have all had a go at humans at one stage or another. Also bear in mind that you are only really seeing whites during the summer months....come down the Phillip Island and you can surf within a couple of hundred yards of massive great whites, seals and penguines all year round...and there are rarly any attacks

tryptoid
tryptoid
SA
3 posts
SA, 3 posts
31 Dec 2008 12:23pm
White pointers are one of the most graceful creatures on our planet. I live and surf in S.A. so i know them well. in fact my good friend was fatally attacked a couple years ago. Its there ocean dude, if ya scared then get a sharkshield. I surf offshore bombies with seals everywhere and yeah ive seen big sharks real close. leave them alone
Handi
Handi
WA
64 posts
WA, 64 posts
31 Dec 2008 12:08pm
Sammyj,they actually have a plane that flies up and down the coast,which is a huge cost.correct me if wrong,but i,m sure they havent spotted a shark that has threatened to start attacking or been honing in towards swimmers,that would be great timing.when there are attacks,mostly you will not even know it is there.If they are coming out of deeper water over reef or weed,there is next to no chance you will see it ,even from a spotter plane.I dont think it was a bad analogy ,just putting it into perspective.The other comment was spot on,tiger,bull, bronzies,etc are all prone to attack,its just that whites are the most efficient killers.How can it be said also that there is 50 whites swimming around our coast.No evidence on that,for all we know it could be 100 ,500,5000?It is a huge ocean out there,we only see a small % of it.i,m going to go and enjoy it right now !No hard feelings to any,Happy new year
Hunter S
Hunter S
WA
516 posts
WA, 516 posts
31 Dec 2008 6:30pm
Space Handi space. You can do it. Space, space.


The magic of space - turns gibberish to prose.
Handi
Handi
WA
64 posts
WA, 64 posts
1 Jan 2009 11:46am
I dont live on the things. Sorry, i,m a tradie, but for you i,m willing to make the effort !
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
4 Jan 2009 9:36am
^^^ besides, his head was bitten off by a giraffe. cut the guy some slack
Pumba
Pumba
1 posts
1 posts
4 Jan 2009 9:29pm
mate ur swiimmin or surfin in their ocean. they dont swim in ur bath tub brother. grow a brain. and to the bloke who said the gov doin so much to save the white pointers why not do the same for us? well for f*** sake man the bloody things are just bout extinct and theres wat 6 f***in billion of us? mate we aint neva gonna be extinct from any animal. the only way we're gona b extinct is from our own bloody fault slowly poisoning and killin ourselves with all this polution and drugs and war and s***.
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