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62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
6 Apr 2012 6:49pm
Please explain why KS scored a 10 for one massive move.

Bullllllllshiiiiiiit imo.
surferstu
surferstu
1011 posts
1011 posts
6 Apr 2012 7:00pm
Maybe, underscored him on his backup though, I still think he won it though. Funny how ripcurl rider wins ripcurl event over quicsilver rider.
Sham1984
Sham1984
VIC
415 posts
VIC, 415 posts
6 Apr 2012 9:08pm
Was a MASSIVE air though!

Great final either way! Both guys surfed amazing!
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2568 posts
NSW, 2568 posts
6 Apr 2012 10:30pm
judges dont always score the wave its true value. in a recent interview one of the judges himself said that if a surfer scored lower than what he deserves overall in a heat, he can up the score on another of his rides to see him get through (and same for the opposite also). not sure if he put his foot in it though.
wodgina6722
wodgina6722
229 posts
229 posts
7 Apr 2012 8:03am
I think kelly won.

Micks highest scoring wave he bogged his rail a couple of times. Wasn't pretty.
dan berry
dan berry
WA
2562 posts
WA, 2562 posts
7 Apr 2012 2:36pm
Didn't see the whole final but that was the biggest fullest rotating frontside 540 I've ever seen. I would have given him a 12!!
Multihull1
Multihull1
QLD
130 posts
QLD, 130 posts
7 Apr 2012 4:43pm
Not particulary a Kelly fan and I like Mick, even worked at the curl in san clemente.
Not sure KS should have got a 10 for 1 maneuver, it was huge though, but 8.07 for carvi ng 360 plus finishes off wave???? I dont understand anymore
dan berry
dan berry
WA
2562 posts
WA, 2562 posts
7 Apr 2012 2:54pm
Guys get 10 for taking off tucking into a barrel and kicking out. Never understood that, if the next guy could get a longer deeper barrel then get a big move after pulling out?? Not much room for a better score when you have a limit of 10
newguy
newguy
654 posts
654 posts
7 Apr 2012 3:00pm
Same view here, 10 = perfection and while my surfing knowledge is limited how can 1 manuvure be equal to say the 10 I remember Parko got carving waves with multiple turns up at snappers last month?

Mac maybe it's time you try a rotating front side 540 off your splice
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
10 Apr 2012 8:34am
Would have to be the biggest air ever in a heat, but one move is not a ten imo.
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
10 Apr 2012 11:22am
I felt pretty sorry for Slats, I thought he got it! Guess its pretty hard to put a score on something that is difficult to quantify like surfing a wave the best aye?
SP
SP
10982 posts
SP SP
10982 posts
10 Apr 2012 11:33am
62mac said...

Please explain why KS scored a 10 for one massive move.

Bullllllllshiiiiiiit imo.


Cause it was Nutzz..

Na each heat is basically a reset of the scoring system, the previous heat scores don't really compare, so a 10 in one heat may not be in another. There criteria is all about surfing the wave to its maximum potential, a 10 is not perfect it is just seen as getting the most out of the current conditions. and I guess they thought in the conditions at the time that turn was surfing to the what the wave allowed and was done with power, flow and in the most critical part of the wave. Their words not mine.

And na I don't think one turn should be a 10 but that is how they score it now, plenty of 8 plus's for one turn.
62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
10 Apr 2012 12:47pm
doggie said...

Would have to be the biggest air ever in a heat, but one move is not a ten imo.


That's what I'm saying
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
10 Apr 2012 1:06pm
62mac said...

doggie said...

Would have to be the biggest air ever in a heat, but one move is not a ten imo.


That's what I'm saying


Really
swalkington
swalkington
WA
401 posts
WA, 401 posts
10 Apr 2012 4:09pm
^^^^
if you pulled an air like that in a heat,...I'm sure you'd all be claiming a 10 as well.
doggie
doggie
WA
15849 posts
WA, 15849 posts
10 Apr 2012 4:13pm
swalkington said...

^^^^
if you pulled an air like that in a heat,...I'm sure you'd all be claiming a 10 as well.



I would claim it for sure and be tellin my mates for the next 10-15 years

But I wouldnt expect a 10
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2568 posts
NSW, 2568 posts
10 Apr 2012 11:11pm
ok. was the wave surfed perfectly, as well as it couldve been, on the average of the waves and conditions of the day, and the critical manouvers in the correct part of the wave?
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi
NSW
14256 posts
NSW, 14256 posts
11 Apr 2012 9:55am
My intial thought when I saw that air was FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRK - after another 10 replays I was even more blown away. Was I surprised though that a 10 had been given - not really after the single maneuver 10's given in the States last yr at two comps. But this was Bells - a down the line wave. So I did some digging.

On the 10 - all 5 judges gave him a 10

I also thought he was underscored on his 8.07 - especially when you looked at it side by side with Fannings 9.7. Kelly had a range from the judges of 7.5 to 8.2 - drop the top and bottom and average the rest = 8.07. Mick scored 9.70 with a range of 9.5 - 9.9. So all the judges thought that Micks wave was far supperior - and there was a smaller range between the judges. Now those judges are from all different walks of life and parts of the globe and in my opinion do a pretty good job. I do not think that they are biased towards one competitor over another or for certain sponsored surfers at certain events runs by certain big companies. No way - they are professionals. Given that the top and bottom scores are knocked out of the equation it leaves even less room for bias.

So it leaves me with only one conclusion and that is that the way in which the scores are obtained are different to what we believe that they should be - maybe the ASP have done a poor job at advising us of the judging criteria? A quick look at their website tells you that the new judging criteria was roled out in 2010 and it states

Judges analyze the following major elements when scoring waves:

Commitment and Degree of Difficulty
Innovative and Progressive Manoeuvres
Combination of Major Manoeuvres
Variety of Manoeuvres
Speed, Power and Flow

* It is important to note that the emphasis on certain elements is contingent upon the location and the conditions on the day, as well as changes of conditions during the day.


So if this is the criteria that the judges are using and it would seem that they were all pretty consistent with their scores then maybe the goof is with the criteria and its interpretation rather than the judges and scoring itself. As someone with more authority than me on this topic has noted - in Brazil they think Adriano was underscored, in the States Kelly was overscored and in Australia it was about right. So maybe the bias is not in the judges but the people viewing the contest - surely not

ps: I still think Slater was ripped!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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