Nets and drumming on the Queensland beaches

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Bento
Bento
WA
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WA, 74 posts
12 Jan 2013 9:17pm
www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/shark-catch-drops-but-theres-some-big-uns/1715059/

This has been around for a while.
the local Sunshine coast rag today printed the stats for the last 12 months.
People over here dont turn an eyelid as it has been well established practise.
Recently moved from WA to Sunny coast 6 months ago.
The surf is better and geeze its nice to feel relaxed in the water.

MickPC
MickPC
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8266 posts
13 Jan 2013 9:13am
Wish they'd adopt a similar strategy in the West for larger tigers & whites over 3m. They're going a lot further than I would personally request. But until other safety measures other than not entering the ocean are discovered. I believe reducing large shark numbers is the only effective means of reducing the chance of shark attack.
Docked
Docked
VIC
6 posts
VIC, 6 posts
14 Jan 2013 1:44pm
I believe reducing large shark numbers is the only effective means of reducing the chance of shark attack.


You're wrong. Let me tell you why.
If you want to flip a coin heads three times in a row and you've already got a two in the bag, do you have a lower or higher chance of getting three in a row next toss compared to your mate whose only got one head?

Your odds haven't changed. They are still 50/50 on getting head next toss.

It only takes one shark. Having fewer sharks won't help that stat.
Ctngoodvibes
Ctngoodvibes
WA
1404 posts
WA, 1404 posts
14 Jan 2013 11:00am
^^^^
You're obviously not a very good mathematician!
You can't be serious are you?
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
14 Jan 2013 11:07am
You know one way to be 100% guaranteed to not be attacked? Don't go in the water.

I think it is terribly sad seeing photos of the 4.7 m (or whatever it was) tiger shark being caught.

That would be a fairly old fish that is of reproductive age (and it was pregnant) just killed because it might (but more than likely would not) kill someone. I just think that is piss poor.

I'd rather not surf than rid the ocean of large sharks to keep me 'safe'.

Life is about risk management. Weigh up the risks vs the benefits. If you don't like the risk, move on and find something else to do.

More people drown each year. If it was about saving x number of people, focusing on that would be far more effective than the 1 person per year nailed by a shark.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
14 Jan 2013 11:09am
Ctngoodvibes said...
^^^^
You're obviously not a very good mathematician!
You can't be serious are you?


He is right about to coin thing. Your odds of getting 3 heads in a row are whatever, but everytime you flip the coin, it is 50/50. Doesn't change. Even if you have 100 heads in a row, the next one is 50/50.
boofy
boofy
NSW
2110 posts
NSW, 2110 posts
14 Jan 2013 2:15pm
Dawn Patrol said...
You know one way to be 100% guaranteed to not be attacked? Don't go in the water.

I think it is terribly sad seeing photos of the 4.7 m (or whatever it was) tiger shark being caught.

That would be a fairly old fish that is of reproductive age (and it was pregnant) just killed because it might (but more than likely would not) kill someone. I just think that is piss poor.

I'd rather not surf than rid the ocean of large sharks to keep me 'safe'.

Life is about risk management. Weigh up the risks vs the benefits. If you don't like the risk, move on and find something else to do.

More people drown each year. If it was about saving x number of people, focusing on that would be far more effective than the 1 person per year nailed by a shark.


+1 mate I was embarrassed and my kids were distraught watching that pregnant tiger gaffed and dragged in to the boat I take a calculated risk when surfing, diving with my family I know we are part of the food chain for me the ocean is much safer than sending them to a catholic school
Ctngoodvibes
Ctngoodvibes
WA
1404 posts
WA, 1404 posts
14 Jan 2013 11:36am
Dawn Patrol said...
Ctngoodvibes said...
^^^^
You're obviously not a very good mathematician!
You can't be serious are you?


He is right about to coin thing. Your odds of getting 3 heads in a row are whatever, but everytime you flip the coin, it is 50/50. Doesn't change. Even if you have 100 heads in a row, the next one is 50/50.


He is correct about the coin, but he is not applying it correctly to sharks. The simple fact is more sharks = more chance of an attack. Not rocket science.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
14 Jan 2013 11:45am
^Yeh that's fair enough. It might only take one shark, but if there are more sharks you'd be more likely to meet that one shark.
Zuke
Zuke
901 posts
901 posts
14 Jan 2013 12:05pm
I think that's sad about the 4.7m pregnant Tiger Shark being killed.

I can't even remember the last time someone was killed by a Tiger Shark. Does anyone have any statistics on them?
jbshack
jbshack
WA
6913 posts
WA, 6913 posts
14 Jan 2013 12:15pm
Zuke said...
I think that's sad about the 4.7m pregnant Tiger Shark being killed.

I can't even remember the last time someone was killed by a Tiger Shark. Does anyone have any statistics on them?


Nah i dont know of any but that is the problem with nets and drum lines protecting our beaches

Not to mention all the other by catch as well
MickPC
MickPC
8266 posts
8266 posts
14 Jan 2013 2:26pm
boofy said...

I know we are part of the food chain for me the ocean is much safer than sending them to a catholic school


LOL .....
soleman
soleman
WA
280 posts
WA, 280 posts
14 Jan 2013 5:41pm
MickPC said...
boofy said...

I know we are part of the food chain for me the ocean is much safer than sending them to a catholic school


LOL .....


Haha mint comment boofy!
SP
SP
10982 posts
SP SP
10982 posts
14 Jan 2013 6:03pm
jbshack said...
Zuke said...
I think that's sad about the 4.7m pregnant Tiger Shark being killed.

I can't even remember the last time someone was killed by a Tiger Shark. Does anyone have any statistics on them?


Nah i dont know of any but that is the problem with nets and drum lines protecting our beaches

Not to mention all the other by catch as well




Yep stats on catches are published on the DpI website.... Easily found on google...

http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/products/tables/shark-control-program-caught-type/index.php

Same for NsW... You just have to look....
jbshack
jbshack
WA
6913 posts
WA, 6913 posts
14 Jan 2013 10:09pm
SP said...
jbshack said...
Zuke said...
I think that's sad about the 4.7m pregnant Tiger Shark being killed.

I can't even remember the last time someone was killed by a Tiger Shark. Does anyone have any statistics on them?


Nah i dont know of any but that is the problem with nets and drum lines protecting our beaches

Not to mention all the other by catch as well




Yep stats on catches are published on the DpI website.... Easily found on google...

http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/products/tables/shark-control-program-caught-type/index.php

Same for NsW... You just have to look....


I read that as Zuke was chasing stats on Shark attacks by Tigers. Catch records for drum lines and nets are as you said listed.
SP
SP
10982 posts
SP SP
10982 posts
15 Jan 2013 7:05pm
jbshack said...
SP said...
jbshack said...
Zuke said...
I think that's sad about the 4.7m pregnant Tiger Shark being killed.

I can't even remember the last time someone was killed by a Tiger Shark. Does anyone have any statistics on them?


Nah i dont know of any but that is the problem with nets and drum lines protecting our beaches

Not to mention all the other by catch as well




Yep stats on catches are published on the DpI website.... Easily found on google...

http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/products/tables/shark-control-program-caught-type/index.php

Same for NsW... You just have to look....


I read that as Zuke was chasing stats on Shark attacks by Tigers. Catch records for drum lines and nets are as you said listed.


I could google that 2 but I already know its there I've posted it before. Taronga zoo shark research keep shark attack data.
SP
SP
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