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newguy
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20 Feb 2012 1:57pm
Sorry guys but that name stands as it is and once again I'm hoping for some tips with my surfing

For some reason I'm having trouble turning and surfing waves when they are clean and the winds offshore. I can easily pop up and go straight now but can't seem to get a turn onto waves when they are clean and plunging (as they are).

Back when it was onshore/ surfing over reefs the other week, I found myself easily bottom turning and even doing a couple little turns on waves. Just seemed like I had much more time on my hands to get up and go on those waves that seemed to 'spill' over.

But now that it has gotten cleaner on the beachies, out of say ten waves, I'll get a good ride with 2 whereas the other 8 is just getting up, turning and watching it close out. I can't blame it on the wave because one guy was catching waves and getting a little ride before it closed out (although he was standing and already angling his board in preparation before popping up last minute I saw). So I'm doing something wrong.

So if you guys can make out what jibberish I've written here and can give me tips, BIG thanks!
doggie
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20 Feb 2012 2:24pm
62mac said...

sounds like you need to take up sup'ing with doggie


Nice of you to pop your head in, now back to aircraft carriers for you!!

Mate when its closing out like that you are lucky to get one turn in, when its onshore the waves tend to crumble and when its off shore they dont do that they break quick. Where were you surfing these clean waves?
62mac
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20 Feb 2012 2:31pm
newguy
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20 Feb 2012 2:44pm
Doggie.... SUP'ing? I thought better of you
Just along trigg to scabs mate. Should of just joined the pack at the Point as decent waves were coming though but stuck to the beach breaks cos less crowded.
GPA
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20 Feb 2012 2:47pm
I'll bet you are surfing Scarb - Trigg beachies...

The banks are very straight at the moment (ie parallel to the shore line), so with a lower tide the waves are essentially hitting the sand bar and collapsing end to end, with basically no time to do anything!

Your best chance is to be out a little further, paddle harder, pre-angle your board along the wave and pop up quicker - that's what the other bloke is probably doing.

Reef breaks 'tend' to be a more forgiving shape that provides more time to get up and going... Mettams and Isolators would be a more extreme examples - as these waves break relatively slowly.
newguy
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20 Feb 2012 2:56pm
GPA said...

I'll bet you are surfing Scarb - Trigg beachies...



That GPS of yours is pin point mate. And Mettams was probably where I've had my better sessions. Yeh the other bloke was doing all that except he was standing and pushed off just as the wave was about to break. I use to do that but it felt wierd not paddling into a wave. Almost as if you are cheating and a bad habit if you one day surf somewhere with no ground to stand on... Yep got alotta work to do with my surfing!
PaddlePig
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20 Feb 2012 5:27pm
Mate, don't let it get you down. Sometimes the wave makes you look/feel/surf worse than what you actually are. Other times, a good classic wave can make you look/feel/surf a lot better than what you actually are. These waves going around at the moment are absolute garbage. Sure the pros make terrible waves look half decent (anyone else watch the australian open on the weekend?), but they are poor waves. Wait til there's a bit more grunt. Don't beat yourself up mate. Keep going! I'm suprised you're out there at all.
sparki
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20 Feb 2012 7:38pm
The problem at the moment is probably, as already said, that the banks are way too straight to even come close to getting a good turn from. The best you can probably do is a floater (and if you're good, an air). But another thing, is to get a long(er)board, find some shapely waves and ride the wave with both feet as close together as you possibly can without feeling a loss of control and falling. What you do while you're on the wave is then take note of your shoulders and upper body. If you are generally tense in that area, loosen up. If you can't move your shoulders around, you won't be able to turn.

When you have made sure you aren't tense, rotate your shoulders the way you want to go, putting pressure on your board with your feet too. One you know you can turn a longboard with your feet together, you are definitely going to be able to turn a shortboard with you legs apart! I've been SUPing much more than shortboard lately (lackluster Perth summer swell), but I've already noticed after a session of doing some decent turns on a SUP, i can turn a lot more easily and more critically on a shortboard.

Another way to tell if your shoulders are loose like they should be to surf well is if you get your hands on a longboard and are able to walk up and down from the tail to the nose (and back) without falling off.

But seriously, the only real practice you'll get on Perth beaches in summer is how to most effectively avoid a closeout.
62mac
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20 Feb 2012 7:57pm
Hey Newguy,never be sorry mate its guys like you that keep me stoked.
The guys have given you good advice,look for small point long wave and
that will speed your learning by 1000.

Tip tho,remember you dont have to ride a board like Ke11y get one with more
volume than you need,catch way more waves another 1000 and then drop down
in volume.mate surfing is not an easy game just enjoy.Come over here on doggies
next trip another 1000 more waves mate

BTW I enjoy your posts

jbshack
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21 Feb 2012 3:02pm
newguy said...

GPA said...

I'll bet you are surfing Scarb - Trigg beachies...



That GPS of yours is pin point mate. And Mettams was probably where I've had my better sessions. Yeh the other bloke was doing all that except he was standing and pushed off just as the wave was about to break. I use to do that but it felt wierd not paddling into a wave. Almost as if you are cheating and a bad habit if you one day surf somewhere with no ground to stand on... Yep got alotta work to do with my surfing!


I've left the surf the last few times feeling like a absolute pilick. But when you get a good wave it helps you appreciate it. Honestly Trigg at the moment I've been working on getting up fast and getting dumped inside the wave. ( i got that from one of your last post questions so thanks for that).

As for standing and jumping in i find that hard. I often feel super kooky when standing and i find it can throw me right of.

What time of the day do you surf Newguy? We should catch up one day befor work? I normally surf from about 6.40 to 8.15 right between the two car parks..Just north of the rocks.
GPA
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21 Feb 2012 3:30pm
jbshack said...

newguy said...

GPA said...

I'll bet you are surfing Scarb - Trigg beachies...





I've left the surf the last few times feeling like a absolute pilick. But when you get a good wave it helps you appreciate it.


Don't worry - I am CERTAIN to be a complete Gumby when I next hit the surf - I have not been since Australia Day up at Lancelin - although I have made the drive to the coast a couple of times only to be disheartened with what was on offer and not go in.

I reckon it's going to take me a good half dozen surfs to get myself going again. Used to be a time where I could miss a few weeks and not notice any difference. Now I know that I am going to be underdone and next to useless... so frustrating.
doggie
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21 Feb 2012 3:35pm
GPA said...

jbshack said...

newguy said...

GPA said...

I'll bet you are surfing Scarb - Trigg beachies...





I've left the surf the last few times feeling like a absolute pilick. But when you get a good wave it helps you appreciate it.


Don't worry - I am CERTAIN to be a complete Gumby when I next hit the surf - I have not been since Australia Day up at Lancelin - although I have made the drive to the coast a couple of times only to be disheartened with what was on offer and not go in.

I reckon it's going to take me a good half dozen surfs to get myself going again. Used to be a time where I could miss a few weeks and not notice any difference. Now I know that I am going to be underdone and next to useless... so frustrating.


Australia day was epic GPA

That was the last good surf Ive had
jbshack
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21 Feb 2012 4:21pm
Sorry to thread steal but i just find i lose the flow of the ocean..Hope that makes sense and feel real kooky..

My ten year old daughter has been winging to mum she wants to go surfing so i'm of home and wifey will be watching shop..Later

Love my kids
newguy
newguy
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21 Feb 2012 4:44pm
Cheers for all the advice guys! Yeeeh just gotta keep at it every morning I am down. I'm sure one day it'll click! Hope everyone else is getting waves whereever they are on this island of ours!

GPA
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21 Feb 2012 5:10pm
doggie said...
Australia day was epic GPA

That was the last good surf Ive had


Yeah - it was quite good. I've had it much better, and I've had it much worse...

Probably had one of my best days surfing out there maybe 5-6 years ago. Managed to jag a 10/10 LAGO at about 3-4ft (a little overhead) and NO ONE out but me and the wife and kids.

I'd pay $$$ for another day like that...
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