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paulford
paulford
WA
312 posts
WA, 312 posts
21 Jul 2012 3:10pm
So ive demo'd a couple of 10 footers now, and it seems that only a 34" wide board gives me the stability to get moving without constantly falling off(i tried a 30" wide and it was hellish to stay upright on). I enjoyed the SB whopper i demo'd this morning and sure it looks like its the one to get me going on. Looking towards the future id like to try DW'ing on a 12'6 or similiar. But with a narrower hull will i lack stability?. I know they have more volume due to the hull design, which makes me think ill be alright in that respect. At around 95-7kgs i guess im gonna tip any boat as a beginner.

Thanks.
hilly
hilly
WA
8120 posts
WA, 8120 posts
21 Jul 2012 3:49pm
Narrow = fast and good in solid surf

If you are a beginner width is your friend but it comes at a cost. Wide (32+) boards are great in small surf but a handfull when at speed on overhead waves. Wide (30) DW/flatwater boards are slow compared to narrow boards.

If you want to ride small waves and cruise dw or on the flats stick to wide boards. As your skills develop you may want to step it up in the surf or racing then look at narrower boards.

My dw board is 14 X 29 not the fastest but a hoot. I am 105kg bit over after Bali breakies and cocktails :) surf is 9 7 X 29 3/4.

A 12 6 about 30 wide will be a good start. 14 better IMO especially dw.
Jradedmondo
Jradedmondo
NSW
637 posts
NSW, 637 posts
21 Jul 2012 5:49pm
the whoppers a good board, you might have had a problem stability wise on boards that where 30'', but this is just practice, like they say you have to crawl before you can walk, hardly anyone as a beginner hopped on a board and didn't fall off, and if they didn't they probably grew out of the board to quick if they wanted to surf, probably just demo some 12'6s some are more stable than others but this is all about the design, i would look at 14 footers as a possibility aswell as if you want to compete dw or pretty much anything paddling that isn't BOP this category has taken over in popularity from the 12'6, whatever you do just have fun

Jarryd
HumanCartoon
HumanCartoon
VIC
2098 posts
VIC, 2098 posts
21 Jul 2012 5:52pm
paulford said...

So ive demo'd a couple of 10 footers now, and it seems that only a 34" wide board gives me the stability to get moving without constantly falling off(i tried a 30" wide and it was hellish to stay upright on). I enjoyed the SB whopper i demo'd this morning and sure it looks like its the one to get me going on. Looking towards the future id like to try DW'ing on a 12'6 or similiar. But with a narrower hull will i lack stability?. I know they have more volume due to the hull design, which makes me think ill be alright in that respect. At around 95-7kgs i guess im gonna tip any boat as a beginner.

Thanks.


The short answer is...it depends.

...a longer board will likely be more stable for a given width, but it depends a bit on how much volume and how it's distributed, rail shape, hull form etc. At 97 you're not that heavy. At around 125kegs I have a 17x26 3/4 (320 litres), 14x29 (298 litres) and a 14x30 (305 litres) and get on fine with all of them depending on conditions, but I can't stand up on a 10 x 34" whopper (168 litres).

pshannam
pshannam
QLD
27 posts
QLD, 27 posts
21 Jul 2012 6:14pm
If your not falling off sometimes your not trying hard enough,I have stepped down from a 11'6 nsp to afanatic 9'6 allwave been falling off heaps but I know with time on the water that will stop,the waves you catch on it make all the effort of falling off and climbing back on worth it just keep at it
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
21 Jul 2012 10:17pm
The new 12'6" Glide is plenty stable at over 6-7" thick and at least 30" wide.. It goes great on DW'ers.. It would be a great second board to go with the Whopper.

DJ
paulford
paulford
WA
312 posts
WA, 312 posts
21 Jul 2012 8:54pm
Cheers for the feedback guys, much appreciated .
rocko1401
rocko1401
VIC
2 posts
VIC, 2 posts
21 Jul 2012 11:17pm
Hey , thus is a gr8 topic . I loooove my whopper and it's 34" width. I've started on 11'. The 10' the 9'6" all narrow cause it's supposed to b better. I surf the whopper overhead and micro. I can stand up in a gale or glass no prob, it surfs like along board . it's got excellent glide.
I absolutely love the 34" width and stability . Sure I will change up when there is a 34" wide x 10' option.

Downside it's heavy . If it hits you it's nasty . I would kill for a carbon fiber version .

I reckon it's a design problem . Manufs. Are still trying to make stand ups like short surf boards. Surf boards are restricted by shoulder width of prone surfers. SUP paddlers can go 40" wide no prob. We Need stability cause we standing up ! It's different. We need performance and width it's a design thing. Try harder SUP designers . Don't tells to practice harder to deal crap design flaws . Life is too short and waves too few to be tea bagging in and out the water .

I surf my old whopper at bells impossos in Vicco. Ad balangaan , medewi & Balkan in Bali.

I love that board . Got me back into surfing
Rocko (barwon heads & bali)
paulford
paulford
WA
312 posts
WA, 312 posts
21 Jul 2012 9:24pm
rocko1401 said...

Hey , thus is a gr8 topic . I loooove my whopper and it's 34" width. I've started on 11'. The 10' the 9'6" all narrow cause it's supposed to b better. I surf the whopper overhead and micro. I can stand up in a gale or glass no prob, it surfs like along board . it's got excellent glide.
I absolutely love the 34" width and stability . Sure I will change up when there is a 34" wide x 10' option.

Downside it's heavy . If it hits you it's nasty . I would kill for a carbon fiber version .

I reckon it's a design problem . Manufs. Are still trying to make stand ups like short surf boards. Surf boards are restricted by shoulder width of prone surfers. SUP paddlers can go 40" wide no prob. We Need stability cause we standing up ! It's different. We need performance and width it's a design thing. Try harder SUP designers . Don't tells to practice harder to deal crap design flaws . Life is too short and waves too few to be tea bagging in and out the water .

I surf my old whopper at bells impossos in Vicco. Ad balangaan , medewi & Balkan in Bali.

I love that board . Got me back into surfing
Rocko (barwon heads & bali)


I agree with the weight, hauling the wood version back up to the demo stand today from the water had me thinking i had taken the solid concrete model out! [}:)]
cel23
cel23
QLD
175 posts
QLD, 175 posts
23 Jul 2012 8:24am
Try the coreban EZ 10 34, or at your weight you should be fine on a 10'0"Naish mana 10' x 32" 120L
malibujet
malibujet
QLD
59 posts
QLD, 59 posts
23 Jul 2012 10:02am
At 97kg myself and a surfer for almost 50yrs then getting on a SUP for the last 2 yrs, I find that it depends on if you are a surfer and what ability you have as to what you should ride. I started on a whopper that I used to borrow because I knew it would end up being too big and I didn't want to outlay money on something that I knew I would outgrow. It was a great board to start on and learn the basics but I soon moved on to narrower 29 1/2 x 10'4" Hobie which was great. I'm now on a custom 'Classic Malibu' 9'9" x 31 which is sensational. I surfed it in a comp on the weekend in 20 + knts which was tough for everyone but the width certainly helped in the wind. Geoff Breen was in my heat on a 7' something and had a real struggle so width is certainly a help in some situations but not much of a hinderance in good conditions. In the surf it is always a compromise. You shouldn't have a problem on a 14 x 30 race board.
supashley
supashley
2 posts
2 posts
24 Jul 2012 1:09am
Added thickness also makes a difference, not just width. A cool design is this 9'10" board by Tower called the "Tower Fit" (www.towerpaddleboards.com/wood-paddle-boards)-It is 31.75" wide and 5.5" thick and has 200.5 liters of volume. Most boards that are around 30" wide are only about 4" thick. You wouldn't believe what that extra added thickness does for stability! My friend is 90kg and loves it!


weiry
weiry
QLD
5396 posts
QLD, 5396 posts
24 Jul 2012 1:22pm
supashley said...

Added thickness also makes a difference, not just width. A cool design is this 9'10" board by Tower called the "Tower Fit" (www.towerpaddleboards.com/wood-paddle-boards)-It is 31.75" wide and 5.5" thick and has 200.5 liters of volume. Most boards that are around 30" wide are only about 4" thick. You wouldn't believe what that extra added thickness does for stability! My friend is 90kg and loves it!





the only thing i like about that board is the triple stringer, is that tower sticker a gee up
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
24 Jul 2012 2:16pm
At 110kgs I first struggled on a 11'6 x 29"?, but now ride a 9'8" x 30" custom (badly, but easily) and find it very stable, actually more stable than the 11'6" in many conditions. One thing I was told by the shaper was that to add stability, not so much to do with adding width, but carrying the rail width forward.
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