Too many kooks....

one of the tedious bits about the stand up zone is you can't just see something and give it a green thumb.....you actually have to type a response

GizzieNZ said...
one of the tedious bits about the stand up zone is you can't just see something and give it a green thumb.....you actually have to type a response

Now that is a first world problem if there ever was one

so actually i don't think the "bring back the red thumbs" idea is a good idea......if people object to an idea or concept or topic.....it would be good if they could talk about their ideas rather than just giving the idea a mindless boot in the guts with a red thumb

GizzieNZ said..
so actually i don't think the "bring back the red thumbs" idea is a good idea......if people object to an idea or concept or topic.....it would be good if they could talk about their ideas rather than just giving the idea a mindless boot in the guts with a red thumb

Its a scale that goes back and forth, so a bunch of green thumbs will outvote 1 red thumb and the scale will remain in the green.

I think its more useful then re quoting something said three pages back that has lost its relevance to the current discussion. Just give it a red thumb and when some bored user is reading a 2 year old thread and sees the poster picked up some red thumbs it goes their credibility.

As an example, Area10 posts some good stuff but also some really poor material that is definitely red thumb worthy and not worth the time it takes to post an argument.

Gutless wonders that have no names like the red thumb option, there I said and look no red thumbs, hehehehe.

cantSUPenough said...

GizzieNZ said..
one of the tedious bits about the stand up zone is you can't just see something and give it a green thumb.....you actually have to type a response

What am I missing? You can click the up-thumb (green) without typing anything.

Zone not SB

Its the way of the world these days everyone gets a medal no one loses.

Rules are changed because a minority can't play fair etc.

kookonasup said...

GizzieNZ said..
so actually i don't think the "bring back the red thumbs" idea is a good idea......if people object to an idea or concept or topic.....it would be good if they could talk about their ideas rather than just giving the idea a mindless boot in the guts with a red thumb

Its a scale that goes back and forth, so a bunch of green thumbs will outvote 1 red thumb and the scale will remain in the green.

I think its more useful then re quoting something said three pages back that has lost its relevance to the current discussion. Just give it a red thumb and when some bored user is reading a 2 year old thread and sees the poster picked up some red thumbs it goes their credibility.

As an example, Area10 posts some good stuff but also some really poor material that is definitely red thumb worthy and not worth the time it takes to post an argument.

Most forums are for the exchange of ideas. They aren't supposed to be a popularity poll. The problem with red thumbs is that it gives a voice to people who have nothing to say, but just want to have a go at someone else, for whatever reason. It can be intimidating for posters and the less forceful personality (who may have something useful to contribute) can feel put off from posting. It's a perfect tool for the moronic bully who wants to wield power without responsibility or effort.

Personally, I rarely notice them. And in fact many of the most interesting posts over the years have been red thumbed to oblivion. So in some ways it is an indication of what should be read rather than what shouldn't. But it's a great shame if their availability means that some people won't bother to post a reply. If you've got something to say, say it, and contribute to the community. As I say, forums are for discussion, they aren't intended to be polls of how many people agree/disagree with a point. If they were, we'd never learn anything from them.

But I don't really care much either way tbh.

Red thumbs are weak. If you have something too say, say it.

kookonasup said...
Why not just have a vote without the 100 word essay reply?

Because we learn nothing from a vote. Votes reflect the current state of knowledge, they don't advance it.

For years we were told that eating fat causes heart disease. There were one or two people who argued that this was not the case. They were silenced by the majority who decried them. Now it is becoming accepted that it is sugar not fat that is largely the problem (in this one particular cause of heart disease) and they were right all along. Many people will have died because they followed the majority opinion advice. This does not of course mean that minority opinions are always right. But it is interesting to note how hard it was for the minority opinion to make itself heard, even when it was right. This is the "herd effect" in action.

articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/11/04/saturated-fat-intake.aspx

I am a scientist by trade. I see all the time how damaging it can be to turn discussions into popularity contests rather than reasoned arguments. Votes reflect the current state of opinion. But they also reinforce it: doubters think "well, if 75% of people believe this then it must be true, and if I say something that doesn't agree with this I'll have 75% of people criticising me". So they just keep quiet.

So feedback of the red thumb type alters the nature of the discussion you get, and can stifle innovation and creativity. You have to be very careful with it. Do you want the breeze to be a place of encouragement or of criticism?

Area10 said..

kookonasup said...
Why not just have a vote without the 100 word essay reply?

So feedback of the red thumb type alters the nature of the discussion you get, and can stifle innovation and creativity. You have to be very careful with it. Do you want the breeze to be a place of encouragement or of criticism?

Both encouragement and criticism. That is why a balance is needed, red and green thumbs.

For instance, Area10's little humble brag about being a scientist and off topic waffle on about fat is definitely red thumb worthy.

cantSUPenough said..

GizzieNZ said..
one of the tedious bits about the stand up zone is you can't just see something and give it a green thumb.....you actually have to type a response

What am I missing? You can click the up-thumb (green) without typing anything.

the USA stand up zone sup forum has no thumbs......be they red or green :)

...oh, the 'Zone has a red thumb, it belongs to the Admin.. Step over the line and heave-ho you go.. I had a post disappeared just because I mentioned the 'Breeze..
As stated above, more than a few less reverent Zoners have been banned for good over the years.. Squashed by a lone thumb..

Just sayin'...

Like other topics from SeaBreeze I love to read those topics more than I can leave a response as Aera10 reckons to do it. So I like to thumb , I did it rarely back and most of the time I still do it forth. But rather than an extended literal response which I'm not able to do it I would better leave as response :
One recording sound file of my primal sound of voice or the sound of my paddle banging my hull