Seeking advice for purchase of FAST blue water boat

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usdivers
usdivers
NT
1 posts
NT, 1 posts
2 Nov 2017 12:25pm
Well guys, as I am getting closer to retirement, it is about time to sell my Cole 23, and get something bigger. I am looking for something that is fast, seaworthy, and able to outfit for solo blue-water sailing. My purchase budget will be around 100K.

Looking for advise from sailors that have actual experience in the boat they are recommending. Currently looking at the Farr 43, there are a few around circa 85, and from what I remember they were very fast. However, not sure if they could be setup for solo or would be a good blue water boat.

Love to hear from everyone!.
Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
3570 posts
NSW, 3570 posts
2 Nov 2017 2:30pm
Which Farr 43? Drake's Prayer, Kurtsey's old IOR boat? I haven't sailed her but I have done a couple of short races on the other Farr 43/44s, Wild Oats and Madeline's Daughter.

The little sister, the design 136 IOR one tonner, has done things like the singlehanded round the world race and finished, but it's not an ideal shorthander. For example Madeline's Daughter, lost her mast one day just because someone didn't ease the topmast backstay (not the runner) at a top mark. I've met a couple who spent many years cruising a similar boat, the Joubert 42 Accanito, and they loved it. They are tweaky boats, though.

There is also Snake Oil, which is another Farr 43 that sailed out from the US with a cut down rig. She was for sale in Oz a while back. None of these boats is going to be super-fast by modern standards. For example another mid '80s Farr 43 (Switchblade) is rated 1.083 on IRC, which is roughly in the Sydney 36/Beneteau 40.7/Beneteau 40 range.
Yara
Yara
NSW
1317 posts
NSW, 1317 posts
2 Nov 2017 3:31pm
I'm no expert, but I think Chris is on the money. Fast and solo blue water sailing will probably put you in the very expensive price range.

Not much choice in the NT, but Cairns often gets boats that are sailed there, and then the owners chuck it in. Worth keeping an eye on.
Chris 249
Chris 249
NSW
3570 posts
NSW, 3570 posts
2 Nov 2017 7:41pm
Great bargain, but the Sigma 41s seem to be about 8% slower than the IOR Farr 43s; closer to the Northshore 38. Whether that is "FAST" like the OP wants is hard to know.
sirgallivant
sirgallivant
NSW
1531 posts
NSW, 1531 posts
2 Nov 2017 8:23pm
Are we beeing duped again?
The re is something not round here!
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
2 Nov 2017 9:26pm
sirgallivant said..
Are we beeing duped again?
The re is something not round here!


Come on SirG. The sailing forum on Seabreeze has developed somewhat of a reputation as a "Brains Trust".

We are bound to get the "Do Drop Inners" seeking a quick answer to their problem. Don't be too suspicious.
spiggie
spiggie
VIC
79 posts
VIC, 79 posts
3 Nov 2017 10:39am
Hi woul
Bruski068 said..
Here's something that might be worth looking at : https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-42-1/209424 .


hi wouldn't touch a yacht with in mast furling , bad sail shape ,to much weight aloft ,horrrible for reefing ,in a blow things can go wrong real quickly ,main can pinch in the track causing all sorts of issues ,shocking pointing ability
if your looking for a fast cruiser stay away from in mast furling
shaggybaxter
shaggybaxter
QLD
2664 posts
QLD, 2664 posts
3 Nov 2017 9:54am
US,
There's a Sydney /BH 41 about to get listed in Brisbane that is under your budget price . Well maintained, PM if interested. No association to the boat , I just know the owner .
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
3 Nov 2017 8:51pm
Hello usdivers!!!! You are getting a number of responses to your one and only post and you have not responded at all, at all.

I am thinking SirG was right and picked you like a dirty nostril.
Andrew68
Andrew68
VIC
433 posts
VIC, 433 posts
3 Nov 2017 10:24pm
Yara said..
Fast and solo blue water sailing will probably put you in the very expensive price range.




Yarra, I would be interested in which expensive fast blue water solo boats you have in mind ?
A
andy59
andy59
QLD
1156 posts
QLD, 1156 posts
4 Nov 2017 7:01am
jev7337 said..

twodogs1969 said..
This would on the face of it be the best boat value on the market at the moment. Very tempted to go look at it.
Sigma 41 Masthead Sloop,
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/kinglake/sail-boats/sigma-41-masthead-sloop/1164366088?utm_source=com.samsung.android.messaging&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttonsVIP&utm_content=app_android



I contacted him yesterday. Boat is located in Panama.


Hey Jev, I'm not sure whats going on with your guy in Panama but I met the and actually interviewed the bloke who bought this boat while I was in Panama, His name is Chris Barnes, one of those most fascinating people you get to meet in far flung places. He left Panama about a week before I did.
The podcast is available here www.oceansailingpodcast.com/podcast/
the episode is July 14 and called "Chris Barnes sails the 110 foot 1851 Schooner America"
I have no interest in the Ocean Sailing Podcast, I just did some interviews for fun.
These pics are them leaving Colon to transit the Canal.








lydia
lydia
1927 posts
1927 posts
4 Nov 2017 5:20am
usdivers said..
Well guys, as I am getting closer to retirement, it is about time to sell my Cole 23, and get something bigger. I am looking for something that is fast, seaworthy, and able to outfit for solo blue-water sailing. My purchase budget will be around 100K.

Looking for advise from sailors that have actual experience in the boat they are recommending. Currently looking at the Farr 43, there are a few around circa 85, and from what I remember they were very fast. However, not sure if they could be setup for solo or would be a good blue water boat.

Love to hear from everyone!.


You need to ask the key question
What draft can I live with.

As to other matters why get an old IOR boat when you get a BH 41 when there are about the beast racer cruisers ever made.
Great layout and cockpit with speed to burn and masthead rig
jev7337
jev7337
QLD
460 posts
QLD, 460 posts
4 Nov 2017 7:59am
andy59 said..

jev7337 said..


twodogs1969 said..
This would on the face of it be the best boat value on the market at the moment. Very tempted to go look at it.
Sigma 41 Masthead Sloop,
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/kinglake/sail-boats/sigma-41-masthead-sloop/1164366088?utm_source=com.samsung.android.messaging&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttonsVIP&utm_content=app_android




I contacted him yesterday. Boat is located in Panama.



Hey Jev, I'm not sure whats going on with your guy in Panama but I met the and actually interviewed the bloke who bought this boat while I was in Panama, His name is Chris Barnes, one of those most fascinating people you get to meet in far flung places. He left Panama about a week before I did.
The podcast is available here www.oceansailingpodcast.com/podcast/
the episode is July 14 and called "Chris Barnes sails the 110 foot 1851 Schooner America"
I have no interest in the Ocean Sailing Podcast, I just did some interviews for fun.
These pics are them leaving Colon to transit the Canal.









Yea it was Chris that responded. He must've turned around.
The yacht is registered in Hobart but located at Balboa Marina Panama. Thanks will check the podcast later.
Would be a good yacht for the OP.
andy59
andy59
QLD
1156 posts
QLD, 1156 posts
5 Nov 2017 5:33am
Ah that's a shame to hear. It's a great boat for the money and the trip across the Pacific is the some of best sailing you can get.
andy59
andy59
QLD
1156 posts
QLD, 1156 posts
6 Nov 2017 2:29pm
Andrew68 said..

Yara said..
Fast and solo blue water sailing will probably put you in the very expensive price range.





Yarra, I would be interested in which expensive fast blue water solo boats you have in mind ?
A


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shaggybaxter
shaggybaxter
QLD
2664 posts
QLD, 2664 posts
6 Nov 2017 2:38pm
:)
might know of a good x41 that will be up for sale by June Andy!
andy59
andy59
QLD
1156 posts
QLD, 1156 posts
6 Nov 2017 7:13pm
That x41 will be a nice and racey/cruisey boat Shaggy. Not in the same league as the Pogo though.
I'm happy and most importantly my wife's happy on the x442 just can't get over how many comfy places there are to sit
shaggybaxter
shaggybaxter
QLD
2664 posts
QLD, 2664 posts
6 Nov 2017 9:22pm
andy59 said..
That x41 will be a nice and racey/cruisey boat Shaggy. Not in the same league as the Pogo though.
I'm happy and most importantly my wife's happy on the x442 just can't get over how many comfy places there are to sit


Andy, I'm jealous, an x442?
Swoon.

andy59
andy59
QLD
1156 posts
QLD, 1156 posts
7 Nov 2017 9:00am
Yeah I'm in love!
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