Decking, why is teak favoured over other timbers

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ceej
ceej
QLD
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QLD, 30 posts
30 May 2013 7:36pm
Hi
I was wanting to use timber to line the cockpit of my boat.

I rang around to price teak and they wanted $65.00 for a linear meter. But other hard wood timbers and pines were between 2.50 and 6.00 a linear meter.

It's there a reason other timbers are not used other than Teak?

Any information would be great. Thanks Chris
Seamonkey_H2024
Seamonkey_H2024
VIC
344 posts
VIC, 344 posts
30 May 2013 7:43pm
As per wiki

"Teak is used to make outdoor furniture, boats, and other things which require resistance to the elements. Teak is used for outdoor furniture because of its natural durability in extreme weather conditions and because of its relative rarity. Being more expensive than most other woods, teak furniture has become something of a status symbol. Not only is it common for a teak bench, chair, or table to last 70 years standing out in the elements, it is also common to pass down such furniture to future generations as an heirloom."
ceej
ceej
QLD
30 posts
QLD, 30 posts
30 May 2013 8:01pm
Hi SirJman
Thanks for the reply.

Have you heard if other timbers being used? Teak is so expensive. I was looking at lining my cockpit. Floor board or house decking timber?
Cheers Chris
sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
30 May 2013 6:40pm
Its pretty much what SirJman says,

Teak doesnt rot like other timbers do in a damp environment.

Anything else will require a LOT more maintenance.

stephen
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
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NSW, 2140 posts
30 May 2013 10:58pm
Teak these days is so expensive because of its scarcity as you may know from your early school history, teak was felled like there was no tomorrow and being a slow growing timber is hard to replace to meet the demand .... it's the old story of supply vs. demand ...the price goes up.

Teak is very hard and resists wear well but is a cow of a timber to work as it has a very high silica content which will kill your tools in no time at all, one of the reasons for its value as a boat building timber is that it also has a very high oil content, hence its resistance to rot and conversely it's difficulty in gluing.

Did I mention that is also one of the most boring timbers to look at? Looks like brown plastic, it has no character or grain worth mentioning. When first cut it is a buttery yellow colour but as soon as the oil has oxidised it turns brown.
cisco
cisco
QLD
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QLD, 12365 posts
30 May 2013 11:45pm
Poor man's teak, meranti. It is a light weight rain forest timber. The grain is tight,it has good colours and if painted with Sikkens Oil regularly will probably last quite well in an upper deck situation. Timber trim on the uppers looks great but requires a lot of upkeep to keep it looking great.

You say you want to "line" your cockpit with teak. What exactly do you mean?? Lines of teak or fully "lined"??

Most people I know who sail a lot have given up on timber trim and just paint it. If you want the contrast, from a distance mission brown looks quite good. First impressions are the ones that last.
pumpnjump
pumpnjump
WA
265 posts
WA, 265 posts
31 May 2013 3:47pm
There are also the synthetic decking companies supplying material, Permateek is one, you would be hard pressed to tell the difference from a few feet away. As a boatbuilder I used to enjoy putting down a teak deck, but would never have one on a boat of my own.
ceej
ceej
QLD
30 posts
QLD, 30 posts
31 May 2013 7:08pm
Hi Everyone

I appreciate the feed back and the good information. My hull and type sides are steel and want to add a bit of timber to the cock pit seats and seat backs for the look and feel as thats where i spend most of my time. I've just removed the previous timber wich were laid in a fore to arft fashion like with spaces in between. They were hard to paint, sand, slippery and a pain when you dropped something as it would go between the timbers. It was good for drainage though.

There are already horizontal (port to starboard ) timber beams which the previous timbers were screwed to. I want to just scew the new timbers to these members. Given that Teak is 65 bucks a linear meter ill be looking at an alternative.

Just have to work out a cheap one that is nice under foot and grippy. Or sail to Burma and cut down a tree. Thanks
Ramona
Ramona
NSW
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NSW, 7752 posts
1 Jun 2013 8:56am
Beech is the other timber used for bare timber decks. You might consider treated pine and coat it with outdoor furniture oil. The green version when oiled looks like Walnut! Of course the knots and grain will give it away but its about the only good timber that's reasonably priced and readily available.
LooseChange
LooseChange
NSW
2140 posts
NSW, 2140 posts
1 Jun 2013 11:42am
Two suggestions for you to try ceej

White Beech (Gmelina) - Papua New Guinea, Coastal Rainforest North East Australia.
Classified as a hardwood with a similar density to teak - its naturally oily composition, stability and easy to work characteristics - have for generations made it an obvious choice. Although more blonde than the honey gold of teak, with prolonged exposure both timbers assume a distinguished silver-grey colouration.

Rosewood (Pterocarpus indicus) - Papua New Guinea
A medium-sized hardwood of scattered occurrence in south-east Asia and the Philippines. Heartwood can be either a golden brown or a dark blood-red. Similar density to teak, texture medium and grain variable and often highly figured. Durability classification 1 - excellent for all external applications.

New Guinea Rosewood is gorgeous if you don't let it weather, as both of these are relatively local timbers you shouldn't have to many problems sourcing them from a specialist timber supply company.

For the benefit of other members of the forum that need access to knowledge and suitability of various timbers may I suggest joining the Australian woodwork forums at www.woodworkforums.com/ there is a wooden boat forum and people are helpful and knowledgeable.

Woodwork, the art of turning expensive timber into sawdust. ......... Harry
ceej
ceej
QLD
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QLD, 30 posts
5 Jun 2013 7:16pm


My mind is made up. No paint, no sanding, no fuss :)
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