helping kitesurfers with kite launches

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busterwa
busterwa
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3782 posts
28 Feb 2009 11:09am
Im a windsurfer i have noticed recently that i have been in the situation where i have had to help u gentlemen launch your kites, having no kiting experience i would like u guys to teech me the correct and safe way
just so i can assist and be a competent helper when the situation arizes
thanks kitesurfn brothers

surfing is my relegion
elmo
elmo
WA
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WA, 8890 posts
28 Feb 2009 11:40am
Make sure you are clear on what the individual kiters launch signal is beforehand
stamp
stamp
QLD
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QLD, 2797 posts
28 Feb 2009 12:43pm
not sure if you're taking the piss or not, but in case you're not;
stand clear of the lines on the leeward side of the luff.
hold the kite by the centre of the luff into the wind, until the bloke with the bar yells out to let go.
busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
28 Feb 2009 11:50am
no stamp i am not taking the piss
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
28 Feb 2009 2:08pm
It's kind of you to offer your assistance. If someone asks for a launch and you're not sure how to do it just tell them and they will appreciate it and find someone else. It scares the hell out of me when people try to launch my kite and don't know how. It can go horribly wrong. I now only ask people I know who are competent kiters or I self launch.

The best way to learn to launch a kite is to ask one of the kiters to show you how. It's a dangerous thing to do if you've not been taught and hard to learn from written instruction.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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28 Feb 2009 12:17pm
stamp said...

not sure if you're taking the piss or not, but in case you're not;
stand clear of the lines on the leeward side of the luff.
hold the kite by the centre of the luff into the wind, until the bloke with the bar yells out to let go.



Maybe kiters have a different definition of leeward to windsurfers, I always thought you stood upwind of the kite? Bit hard to grab the leading edge if you're on the leeward side.
Kadkhah
Kadkhah
WA
381 posts
WA, 381 posts
28 Feb 2009 12:18pm
Kadkhah
Kadkhah
WA
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WA, 381 posts
28 Feb 2009 12:19pm
busterwa said...

...surfing is my relegion


Do you have any church around Perth? I really like to worship your gOD
stamp
stamp
QLD
2797 posts
QLD, 2797 posts
28 Feb 2009 2:28pm
nebbian said...

stamp said...

not sure if you're taking the piss or not, but in case you're not;
stand clear of the lines on the leeward side of the luff.
hold the kite by the centre of the luff into the wind, until the bloke with the bar yells out to let go.



Maybe kiters have a different definition of leeward to windsurfers, I always thought you stood upwind of the kite? Bit hard to grab the leading edge if you're on the leeward side.


all i mean is to stand on the leeward side of the luff ie on the clear side, away from the the lines and the underside of the canopy.
leech and luff still have a windward and a leeward side, whether you're talking about a sail or a kite. normally i would say leading edge, but i was trying to put it into windsurfing terms.

leading edge=luff, trailing edge=leech, leeward side=top of canopy, windward side= underside of canopy



graceful
graceful
WA
773 posts
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28 Feb 2009 3:59pm
yep, if u really want to know how the best way to learn is for someone to show u in person....
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
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WA, 1675 posts
28 Feb 2009 4:00pm
We like to use a 10 second rule when launching some ones kite.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
28 Feb 2009 4:24pm
Hey Buster,

Good on you for trying to lend a hand. You're surely fostering good relations between the codes which is often needed.

The thing for you, when launching kites, is the experienced guys will basically get themselves into the correct position so that you don't have to, and they will give you a clear "thumbs up". This is an indication for you to no longer hold the kite and you should just "let go", without throwing or angling the kite in any way, just step back from the kite and release it, let the pilot control it to where they want it to be. Never "throw" a kite up, even if someone asks you to "throw me up" It's a figure of speach

Others have mentioned the correct assistant launch position of being in front of the luff/leading edge and behind the canopy so I wont elaborate on this.

The problem exists with noobs who do not understand correct wind window positioning ie the relationship to windward of kiter and kite, and will often just stand there hoping you are in the right position, often you wont be.

A nice simple rule of thumb is to draw a line between you and the kites pilot and see that the wind direction is perpendicular to that line ie 90 degrees. This should put you (the launcher) slightly upwind of the minimum power area (Neutral zone) creating a canopy that is flapping when the lines are tight. Simply walk downwind until the kite stops flapping and then take a few more steps until the kite is pushing slightly towards the wind, then check the lines to ensure there are no snags of bridles or lines around wingtip, and if clear, give an obvioous "thumbs up". Wait until you receive a clear thumbs up back and simply let the kite go. If the canopy is fluttering, DO NOT LET GO.

Thanks for the good post and peace, wind and waves to you.

BigAirPaul
BigAirPaul
QLD
140 posts
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28 Feb 2009 5:41pm
I was always taught that the pilot should move to the right position from a wind point of view and not the launcher.
This is especially true if you have conscripted some random to assist in the process to make their life easier. All they then have to do is pick it up, flip it over, hold it by the leading edge and release on your signal... Again, I was taught that this would be a 'Thumb up'...
I am still amazed by the number of people that I launch that expect me to walk around with their kite...
Position it right, then seek a launching assistant...
And remember karma... what goes around etc.. It is true !!!
BAP
diginoz
diginoz
WA
317 posts
WA, 317 posts
28 Feb 2009 7:41pm
IF YOU HAVE JUST WATCHED THE YOUTUBE VIDEO above Q1 Why do the guys launching on the video have to move out of the way of the lines ??? If you are in the correct position the kite should move away from you and not over you i thought . Q2. IF LAUNCHING IN A TIGHT SPOT ;DONT STAND UPWIND NEXT TO A f;;;;;g CAR .HELLO .
If im wrong GET OUT OF MY WAY . but please tell me
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
28 Feb 2009 10:15pm
busterwa said...
would like u guys to teech me the correct and safe way
just so i can assist and be a competent helper when the situation arizes



lol.
Can't you kooks smell a troll when you sniff one. ? ^^^
Haven't you heard, poleys hate kiters. ?
They don't want to launch your stupid kite....
just like you don't want to carry all their clunky pole-gear down to the waters edge for them.
Keep it real.
But back to launching.......
Kite-dragging schools really need to lift their game.
Over the years I've noticed how inept newbies are when it comes to being launched.
The knowledge is severely lacking.
I'm talking about the dude holding the bar.....the launchee.
(The guy holding the kite is the launcher).
Most newbie launchees are clueless.
That's why I refuse to launch them. lol.
Generally during the launch, the newbie will be holding the bar right at the ends of the broomstick.....
like he's lifting weights in the gym.
I can always spot a kook cause he's holding the bar at the extremities.
(And he's wearing a WAKSA tag on his harness).
But the worst habit during the launch is the walking forward under load thing.
I hate that sh1t.
Lean back and enjoy it.
Walk backwards, fly that damn kite.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
28 Feb 2009 10:22pm
I reckon just tell em to self launch, everyone should be able to do that.

p.s. maybe give them a hand landing if its really windy.
theDoctor
theDoctor
NSW
5786 posts
NSW, 5786 posts
1 Mar 2009 12:31am
WAVESLAVE FOR FORUMS ADMIN..!!!
he would sort this nutless sowing circle out
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
28 Feb 2009 11:41pm
I've launched more kites than I've had hot dinners, but hey we get on in the deep north
All I ever do is pick it up with the leading edge (or whatever you call it) facing the wind, let the skypilot walk to his launch spot and load the lines, let him/her fiddle fart around checking it's hooked up right and then let go when I get the thumbs up
Big tip though for you kitters is make sure your launcher knows what he's doing, I've seen them let go as soon as the lines load up or they get scared and just let go anyway, not good

But please don't ask me to catch it when it wet with salt water and I'm holding my camera, and yep don't swear at me if I refuse for that same reason

Bob
rents
rents
5 posts
5 posts
1 Mar 2009 7:22am
waveslave said...
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What a gentleman!
WA Surf
WA Surf
WA
336 posts
WA, 336 posts
1 Mar 2009 7:30am
We'll show you how when you come to pick up your sails.
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