Tesla - did he know more about electiricty than us

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japie
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24 Sep 2010 9:22pm
viewzone2.com/teslax.html

This guy was responsible for the success of German shipping control in the first world war. He discovered AC, developed a deathray and had his idea for radar turned down in 1917.

No nails.
theDoctor
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24 Sep 2010 9:48pm

he 'discovered' ac after working out how to harness power from the atmosphere, free limitless power for all... jp morgan soon saw the end to that

as well as bein able to send electricity wirelessly, he worked out how to attract and harness lightning and send power to any point on the earth

he was said to be a eunuch, had a high shrill voice and despite having hundreds of patents to his name, died a pauper

talk about a conspiracy
Elroy Jetson
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24 Sep 2010 7:55pm
^^^^^ Doctor, you have figured out the conspiracy of why we don't have limitless amounts of power for all to use. I never would have had that insight but thanks to you it is all clear in my mind now.

Now I bet everyone on seabeeze agrees with this new enlightened point of view.

Now what?
nebbian
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24 Sep 2010 7:57pm
Didn't he build his laboratory right next to a power station so that he could have enough grunt to do his experiments?

And when he was doing some of them, the town experienced blackouts?

Hardly free power.

He was amazing though, like so many geniuses a bit of a troubled soul. Alan Turing is another one.
Mark _australia
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24 Sep 2010 7:57pm
theDoctor said...


he 'discovered' ac after working out how to harness power from the atmosphere, free limitless power for all... jp morgan soon saw the end to that

as well as bein able to send electricity wirelessly, he worked out how to attract and harness lightning and send power to any point on the earth

he was said to be a eunuch, had a high shrill voice and despite having hundreds of patents to his name, died a pauper

talk about a conspiracy


and in the ensuing 90 years, nobody - not one - has used those ideas

Testament to the power of "them"

Oh hang on, we all have AC power..... I guess that was allowed by the ethos that the powers that be live by.
They must have a document somewhere that states what they will, and will not, oppose?

theDoctor
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24 Sep 2010 10:08pm

my guess would be whatever they can make money off and control gets a thumbs up... everything else is shelved

stubbleford was another free energy genius, before tesla even.... he worked out how to 'grow' dc current from the ground
GypsyDrifter
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24 Sep 2010 8:23pm
I have never overly looked into it..but A G Bell did not invent the telephone..
just had enough money to patten it
ginger pom
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24 Sep 2010 10:34pm
nebbian said...

Alan Turing is another one.


it's a real shame that the apple logo ISN'T a tribute to Turing. I would have respected Apple a lot more...

Greenroom
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24 Sep 2010 9:17pm
Anyone want free power? I can rewire your switchboard for you hahaha
colinwill78
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24 Sep 2010 11:18pm
GypsyDrifter said...

I have never overly looked into it..but A G Bell did not invent the telephone..
just had enough money to patten it


I thought bell did the telephone.
R u maybe thinking of Eddison and the light bulb.
GypsyDrifter
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24 Sep 2010 9:48pm
colinwill78 said...

GypsyDrifter said...

I have never overly looked into it..but A G Bell did not invent the telephone..
just had enough money to patten it


I thought bell did the telephone.
R u maybe thinking of Eddison and the light bulb.



nope...Antonio Meucci and Italian invented the phone...

AG Bell a Scott apparently overheard something about it and and could afford the patent at the time and...did a shifty.

"Meucci could not afford the $250 needed for a definitive patent for his "talking telegraph" so in 1871 filed a one-year renewable notice of an impending patent. Three years later he could not even afford the $10 to renew it.

He sent a model and technical details to the Western Union telegraph company but failed to win a meeting with executives. When he asked for his materials to be returned, in 1874, he was told they had been lost. Two years later Bell, who shared a laboratory with Meucci, filed a patent for a telephone, became a celebrity and made a lucrative deal with Western Union. "

One of the links:- www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jun/17/humanities.internationaleducationnews
saltiest1
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25 Sep 2010 12:19am
i sussed out this free power from the atmosphere thing once.
ithink the practicality and engineering for it couldnt be done. too long and too many cables shooting up into space. a mighty huge effort if you think about it but possible in theory.
Mark _australia
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24 Sep 2010 10:20pm
theDoctor said...


my guess would be whatever they can make money off and control gets a thumbs up... everything else is shelved




OK so now we have an emphasis on green / renewable / no fossil fuels, why has no cashed up venture capitalist backed a scientist or two to develop the power sources? They would make free power from the sky or whatever you propose, it would be picked up by governments and private companies and they'd make a fortune.

Oil companies buying out electric car inventors and those who invented other ways of making petroleum products - yes.
"Them" stopping companies form gathering free electricty from lightning or the air, with 90 year old technology - I don't think so.
cisco
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25 Sep 2010 2:02am
theDoctor said...


he 'discovered' ac after working out how to harness power from the atmosphere, free limitless power for all... jp morgan soon saw the end to that

as well as bein able to send electricity wirelessly, he worked out how to attract and harness lightning and send power to any point on the earth

he was said to be a eunuch, had a high shrill voice and despite having hundreds of patents to his name, died a pauper

talk about a conspiracy


Nobody knows what they don't know.

colinwill78
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25 Sep 2010 8:52am
GypsyDrifter said...

colinwill78 said...

GypsyDrifter said...

I have never overly looked into it..but A G Bell did not invent the telephone..
just had enough money to patten it


I thought bell did the telephone.
R u maybe thinking of Eddison and the light bulb.



nope...Antonio Meucci and Italian invented the phone...

AG Bell a Scott apparently overheard something about it and and could afford the patent at the time and...did a shifty.

"Meucci could not afford the $250 needed for a definitive patent for his "talking telegraph" so in 1871 filed a one-year renewable notice of an impending patent. Three years later he could not even afford the $10 to renew it.

He sent a model and technical details to the Western Union telegraph company but failed to win a meeting with executives. When he asked for his materials to be returned, in 1874, he was told they had been lost. Two years later Bell, who shared a laboratory with Meucci, filed a patent for a telephone, became a celebrity and made a lucrative deal with Western Union. "

One of the links:- www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jun/17/humanities.internationaleducationnews


how about that!
waxman
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25 Sep 2010 9:35am
Freedom isn't free, it cost's blokes like you and me and if you don't chip in your buck oh five who will?
waxman
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25 Sep 2010 9:47am
We already have free electricity, but have to pay for the infrastructure to harness it.
Look at thermal, solar, turbines, hydro all of which give free electricity but the infrastructure is what is costing the money and there isn't ever going to be a way to get around that no matter which way you try to capture energy.
Carantoc
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25 Sep 2010 8:50am
I power my whole house for free.

I have rigged up my computer to harness the power from the negative energy on the seabreeze kitesurf forum and the positive energy coming from the 'all good thread'.

Sometime I have over heating issues when Petermac goes on a youtube link posting frenzy, but I try to just pour cold water on that.

japie
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25 Sep 2010 10:59am
What I found really interesting was the fact that Edison fought AC with some incredibly crappy tactics like filming animals, including an elephant, being electrocuted in order to demonstrate how dangerous it was.

Apparently Tesla had a fundemental disagreement with Edison over scientific method. Edison was a big believer in practical testing whereas Tesla believed that it was a waste of time as everything could be calculated mathematically.

Makes you wonder how much stuff is actually supressed by commercial interests.
japie
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25 Sep 2010 11:01am
Carantoc said...

I power my whole house for free.

I have rigged up my computer to harness the power from the negative energy on the seabreeze kitesurf forum and the positive energy coming from the 'all good thread'.

Sometime I have over heating issues when Petermac goes on a youtube link posting frenzy, but I try to just pour cold water on that.




Do you use distilled water? I would have thought that it would be possible to program something that air cooled it. Surely water is a big safety risk?
Mark _australia
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25 Sep 2010 9:08am
Carantoc said...

I power my whole house for free.

I have rigged up my computer to harness the power from the negative energy on the seabreeze kitesurf forum and the positive energy coming from the 'all good thread'.

Sometime I have over heating issues when Petermac goes on a youtube link posting frenzy, but I try to just pour cold water on that.




How does your computer go after having cold water poured on it?
Richiefish
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25 Sep 2010 11:17am
what are yous guys? Nuts?.....(the bad guys are probably monitoring this site after so many of their evil plans have been exposed by it)..ssssssshhhhhhh.
GalahOnTheBay
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25 Sep 2010 9:53pm
cisco said...

Nobody knows what they don't know.


Reminds me of:

“ There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. These are things we do not know we don’t know. ”

—United States Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld
dirtyharry
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25 Sep 2010 10:03pm
waxman said...

We already have free electricity, but have to pay for the infrastructure to harness it.
Look at thermal, solar, turbines, hydro all of which give free electricity but the infrastructure is what is costing the money and there isn't ever going to be a way to get around that no matter which way you try to capture energy.


Based on that logic all energy is free isn't it?
j murray
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26 Sep 2010 10:07am

All energy is free ...!!! from early times, reproduction was full of shocks

it were the leather waist harness that cost the bucks...studded ones
waxman
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26 Sep 2010 4:31pm
dirtyharry said...

waxman said...

We already have free electricity, but have to pay for the infrastructure to harness it.
Look at thermal, solar, turbines, hydro all of which give free electricity but the infrastructure is what is costing the money and there isn't ever going to be a way to get around that no matter which way you try to capture energy.


Based on that logic all energy is free isn't it?



No not all energy is free, only renewable energy, so things like coal powered power stations, natural gas, nuclear etc all consume a non renewable resource. When it runs out so does the power, with wind, hydro and solar we are just harnessing natural energy and changing the state in to what we need, and it will last forever.

Sailhack
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27 Sep 2010 9:31am
"Tesla - did he know more about electiricty than us"

He might've at least known how to spell it!
japie
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27 Sep 2010 9:37am
Sailhack said...

"Tesla - did he know more about electiricty than us"

He might've at least known how to spell it!


Bourbon
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27 Sep 2010 11:04am
waxman said...

dirtyharry said...

waxman said...

We already have free electricity, but have to pay for the infrastructure to harness it.
Look at thermal, solar, turbines, hydro all of which give free electricity but the infrastructure is what is costing the money and there isn't ever going to be a way to get around that no matter which way you try to capture energy.


Based on that logic all energy is free isn't it?



No not all energy is free, only renewable energy, so things like coal powered power stations, natural gas, nuclear etc all consume a non renewable resource. When it runs out so does the power, with wind, hydro and solar we are just harnessing natural energy and changing the state in to what we need, and it will last forever.




Not true, just a different timescale. All energy is free and natural and no one source is infinate (although energy itself is a constant). Wind/hydro and Solar all rely 100% on solar energy from the sun, which is just a big nuclear reactor. It will run out, but not quickly enough to effect us too much. Fossil Fuels are just storage mediums for the suns energy.

The challenge is which use of energy is most cost effective to harness and distribute and has least impact on us and our environment.

waxman
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27 Sep 2010 11:24am
The new solar thermal power stations where they superheat salt in to a liquid stores enough heat energy to keep power production going even at night, and times of prolonged cloud cover.

Solar power at night with a grain of salt.

The bonus of this system is there is no complex solar panels, just reflectors that concentrate heat on a central ball which heats the salt storing the energy for latter, the rest of the plant just runs the same as a thermal generator.
theDoctor
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27 Sep 2010 12:51pm

I feel a youtube clip a commin' on.....





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