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kiteboy dave
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16 Dec 2009 12:36pm
Conroy's pushing ahead despite the test not really going all that well if you read the actual results of the report. Score another one for the nanny nation, the christian lobby, and parents who won't take responsibility for watching their kids themselves.

Australia Confirms Censorship Plans, Tells Fibs On The Filtering Trial
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...Some highlights: the biggest decrease in speed is reported to be 44.15%, with other ISP's reporting speed cuts in various tests of 36.45% and 27.2%....

www.inquisitr.com/52298/australia-confirms-censorship-plans-tells-fibs-on-the-filtering-trial/
getfunky
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16 Dec 2009 10:50am
At least it will take longer for you to spaff.
cisco
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16 Dec 2009 1:12pm
Not pretty. With what they are saying I cam imagine this site might get filtered out.
abeachsw
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16 Dec 2009 11:15am
Meh - They can't ban proxy sites, because those are not on the RC list.... (ahem). Proxy's are the norm now in China, it'll be the same here....

I feel that it's nothing to do with Child Pr0n/Christian lobby groups etc - they're just the excuse to put to the media... No government ever, has had their citizen's moral interests at heart.

What this filter solves is iinet's point in their court case - ISP's are (currently) not the Internet Police. The filter makes ISP's the Internet police... which in turn means... the ability for Music/film industry to force ISP's to catch film/music downloaders, as the ISP's now have the ability and legal requirements to collect the data required.

So, all in all - use a proxy and nothing changes... Just an extra setting when you get a new computer...



getfunky
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16 Dec 2009 9:22pm
For the complete stoopids (er.. me in particular) please explain the concept of a proxy and what it means to avoid filtering etc?

stribo
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16 Dec 2009 11:51pm
This is going to kill the gaming industry in Australia.Online gaming requires low latency (the time for the data to go back and forth between you gaming console/pc).The latency with the filter will make online gaming unplayable.
Shame CONroy.
Kill the fastest growing industry in Oz before it really gets started.
What a gip.
This is just one of the reasons why we should be standing up against these self important morons.There are many many others
Who are they to tell me what i can and can't look at or read.Next they'll be burning books and making women cover their faces.
Makes my blood boil......

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!!!!
STOP THE FILTER
PROTECT YOUR FREEDOMS BEFORE THEY ARE LOST FOREVER
THESE SELF RIGHTOUS MORONS ARE TRYING TO TAKE THEM AWAY PIECE BY PIECE
DONT" LET THEM!!!
nebbian
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16 Dec 2009 10:53pm
Hey Getfunky,

A proxy is like a tunnel that you go through to get your data. The reason that using one can get around internet filters is that all the filter sees is that you're requesting lots of data from the one place... but in actual fact you're using that place to do your surfing for you.

Here's an example: proxify.com/

Say you use this proxy to go to www.reallybadsite.com, and look at lots of really bad images, all the filter will know is that you visit proxify.com a lot of the time.

Regarding this bill, it's typical of politicians with little technical knowledge but lots of power. There will ALWAYS be ways for the bad people to get around the filters, all this will do is hamper the good guys who are using the net for normal surfing.

What really scares me is that this will be the thin end of the wedge, it wouldn't surprise me if the government wants our internet to end up like China's. Who could seriously want something like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China

Net filtering gives the people in control the sort of power that Hitler could only dream about... truly a scary proposition.
oliver
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16 Dec 2009 11:11pm
I've always had problems with micro management. And this proposal just goes to show how retarded and out of touch the people are who have got power in this country.

Haven't we've got far worse problems in this country than the odd kid accessing porn on the internet?

I liked it much better when we were told to think we were the clever country.
maxm
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17 Dec 2009 9:24am
stribo said...

This is going to kill the gaming industry in Australia.Online gaming requires low latency (the time for the data to go back and forth between you gaming console/pc).The latency with the filter will make online gaming unplayable.
Shame CONroy.
Kill the fastest growing industry in Oz before it really gets started.
What a gip.
This is just one of the reasons why we should be standing up against these self important morons.There are many many others
Who are they to tell me what i can and can't look at or read.Next they'll be burning books and making women cover their faces.
Makes my blood boil......

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!!!!
STOP THE FILTER
PROTECT YOUR FREEDOMS BEFORE THEY ARE LOST FOREVER
THESE SELF RIGHTOUS MORONS ARE TRYING TO TAKE THEM AWAY PIECE BY PIECE
DONT" LET THEM!!!


So don't just tell us. Tell him! I've emailed many a pollie and they do take notice (although not a lot, I can tell you).

You can find the House of Reps contact list here: http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/memlist.pdf

Senate is: www.aph.gov.au/Senate/senators/homepages/index.asp

Make sure to put in your proper name and snail mail address and they will send a written reply (can take months and is often just a general blurb sent by some flunky but occasionally I have received one signed in person with specific answers... very RARE though!). If you just include your email address and name they'll take absolutely NO notice whatsoever.
kiteboy dave
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17 Dec 2009 9:23am
Even better... call him up


There's nothing like a personal phone call to get the message across. Call the minister's office on (03) 9650 1188 and let them know your objections.
FormulaNova
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17 Dec 2009 11:20am
stribo said...

This is going to kill the gaming industry in Australia.Online gaming requires low latency (the time for the data to go back and forth between you gaming console/pc).The latency with the filter will make online gaming unplayable.
Shame CONroy.
Kill the fastest growing industry in Oz before it really gets started.
What a gip.
This is just one of the reasons why we should be standing up against these self important morons.There are many many others
Who are they to tell me what i can and can't look at or read.Next they'll be burning books and making women cover their faces.
Makes my blood boil......

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!!!!
STOP THE FILTER
PROTECT YOUR FREEDOMS BEFORE THEY ARE LOST FOREVER
THESE SELF RIGHTOUS MORONS ARE TRYING TO TAKE THEM AWAY PIECE BY PIECE
DONT" LET THEM!!!


It will be interesting to see how they filter things. I work in an area where companies deploy these sort of things to protect their companies and to protect their staff from viewing things they shouldn't. The technoology is pretty common, and it shouldn't really slow things down noticably. The people that sell this type of device make them so that there shouldn't be an observable difference to your speed of access.

As for games/gamers, they usually use specific ports (like an address within an address) to talk to servers, that are not the same as those that are used for web pages. Hopefully the filters only look at the specific ports used for web browsing and leave everything else alone.

Given that there are a lot of other things going through the internet, and voice is a big one, they wouldn't want to waste the resources filtering things like games and email traffic. Even if they did, what criteria would they use to filter it?

I guess I should read the reports on what they are trying to do, it would be interesting to see what they are trying to stop.

As with everything, the bad people that want to access dodgy material will always find a way.
getfunky
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17 Dec 2009 11:36am
Ta Nebs. Thought it might have been along those lines.
MKelly
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18 Dec 2009 9:52am
Join the scallywags in ere mateys...

http://stephenconroy.com.au/news.php

...and send ye old message to Cap'n Conroy

[email protected]
myusernam
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18 Dec 2009 8:38pm
stribo said...

This is going to kill the gaming industry in Australia.Online gaming requires low latency (the time for the data to go back and forth between you gaming console/pc).The latency with the filter will make online gaming unplayable.
Shame CONroy.
Kill the fastest growing industry in Oz before it really gets started.
What a gip.
This is just one of the reasons why we should be standing up against these self important morons.There are many many others
Who are they to tell me what i can and can't look at or read.Next they'll be burning books and making women cover their faces.
Makes my blood boil......

WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!!!!
STOP THE FILTER
PROTECT YOUR FREEDOMS BEFORE THEY ARE LOST FOREVER
THESE SELF RIGHTOUS MORONS ARE TRYING TO TAKE THEM AWAY PIECE BY PIECE
DONT" LET THEM!!!


bring on the filtering I say...
The asian countries can have the gaming industry - why compete with the huge bunch of game nerds to the north when our kids should be in the great outdoors. they dont have an outdoors, just a tiny apartment and an internet connection= What about the online porn industry? It's worth lots too. Some industries aren't worth worrying about.

I shudder to think what would happen if my kids saw some of the crap I've seen on the internet....

Proxy sites and you can get around it sure but it's designed to save the innocent, not the savvy who are intent on viewing.

It's simply too easy to google something and get the wrong result. e.g. case donovan big fat chick on australian idol. Idol presenters told the (predominatly adolescent audience) to go to www.caseydonovan.com and neglected to ad the .au. caseydonovan.com.au is just fine....but caseydonovan.com belongs to casey donovan the US gay pornstar who does all sorts of stuff to his bunghole. Thousands of teenagers visited the gay porn site!

Plenty of other inadvertant searches end up in filth...just try googling BBC (used to be short for british broadcasting corporation) before the internet! or go looking for a nice creampie recipie and see what you end up with. not to mention the bme pain olympics, mr hands, 2guys1cup etc. no one needs to see that stuff.

Never before has porn been so accessable....I wonder if it will lead to an increase in social issues. previously to access this sort of material you had to go and find and pay for it, and acess was restricted by convenience and cost. Now you can access new stuff every night. The NT has already restricted not only alchohol but also pornogrophy in it's aboriginal communities due to social issues.

stribo
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19 Dec 2009 12:07pm
myusernam said...

stribo said...

This is going to kill the gaming industry in Australia.Online gaming requires low latency (the time for the data to go back and forth between you gaming console/pc).The latency with the filter will make online gaming unplayable.
Shame CONroy.
Kill the fastest growing industry in Oz before it really gets started.
What a gip.
This is just one of the reasons why we should be standing up against these self important morons.There are many many others
Who are they to tell me what i can and can't look at or read.Next they'll be burning books and making women cover their faces.
Makes my blood boil......
WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!!!!
STOP THE FILTER
PROTECT YOUR FREEDOMS BEFORE THEY ARE LOST FOREVER
THESE SELF RIGHTOUS MORONS ARE TRYING TO TAKE THEM AWAY PIECE BY PIECE
DONT" LET THEM!!!


bring on the filtering I say...
The asian countries can have the gaming industry - why compete with the huge bunch of game nerds to the north when our kids should be in the great outdoors. they dont have an outdoors, just a tiny apartment and an internet connection= What about the online porn industry? It's worth lots too. Some industries aren't worth worrying about.

I shudder to think what would happen if my kids saw some of the crap I've seen on the internet....

Proxy sites and you can get around it sure but it's designed to save the innocent, not the savvy who are intent on viewing.

It's simply too easy to google something and get the wrong result. e.g. case donovan big fat chick on australian idol. Idol presenters told the (predominatly adolescent audience) to go to www.caseydonovan.com and neglected to ad the .au. caseydonovan.com.au is just fine....but caseydonovan.com belongs to casey donovan the US gay pornstar who does all sorts of stuff to his bunghole. Thousands of teenagers visited the gay porn site!

Plenty of other inadvertant searches end up in filth...just try googling BBC (used to be short for british broadcasting corporation) before the internet! or go looking for a nice creampie recipie and see what you end up with. not to mention the bme pain olympics, mr hands, 2guys1cup etc. no one needs to see that stuff.

Never before has porn been so accessable....I wonder if it will lead to an increase in social issues. previously to access this sort of material you had to go and find and pay for it, and acess was restricted by convenience and cost. Now you can access new stuff every night. The NT has already restricted not only alchohol but also pornogrophy in it's aboriginal communities due to social issues.




You must be some kind of wierdo born again christian. You can't handle the guilt you feel from looking at all that stuff you describe.Because your reverand tells you you will burn in hell.So now you want to stop everyone else from seeing what you and your cronys feel is evil.
The list of evil things may start at porn but will grow to other things like religous or political views...
Don't get my wrong i strongly object to children seeing porn.But thats the parents duty.Not the government.

Oh and myusernam.. You are showing near exposed nipples on a family forum.But never mind the filter will clean that filth soon....
FormulaNova
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19 Dec 2009 1:30pm
stribo said...

You must be some kind of wierdo born again christian. You can't handle the guilt you feel from looking at all that stuff you describe.Because your reverand tells you you will burn in hell.So now you want to stop everyone else from seeing what you and your cronys feel is evil.
The list of evil things may start at porn but will grow to other things like religous or political views...
Don't get my wrong i strongly object to children seeing porn.But thats the parents duty.Not the government.

Oh and myusernam.. You are showing near exposed nipples on a family forum.But never mind the filter will clean that filth soon....


I'm neither a born again christian or religious, but I can see some merit in restricting access for some material. It is too easy for kids to see stuff that they shouldn't have to see.

I agree with the parents having the duty to take care of this, but outside the home, they are not going to be able to do anything.

I don't know if it is still active, but the last attempt at this type of thing was to make it a requirement that an ISP be able to provide a filter/firewall software solution to users that wanted it.

The irony of all this is that without porn, I don't think the internet would have got anywhere near as popular as it has now.
poor relative
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19 Dec 2009 1:42pm
I agree limiting Kids access to certain sites on the net or certain things on the net should be implemented

However what joe bloggs in No.7 decides for his family may be different for Single sean in No.10.
Why should single sean have to have the same restrictions as Joe Bloggs.

Internet censorship begins and ends at home.

If your savvy enough to have the internet and have little people around install your own filter.
You can buy one for $40 - a carton of beer - www.netnanny.com:443/

Alternativly put your computer in a central location where the family hangs out so you can monitor what your kids are doing.
deXtrous
deXtrous
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19 Dec 2009 5:59pm
I'm not a parent or anything but if I were I certainly wouldn't be letting them anywhere near the internet peroid. If my hypothetical children completely HAD to use the internet, wouldn't the obvious solution be to use a net nanny (or whatever you call them)? They will do just as good of a job as this global filter will.

FormulaNova, your point is valid but there are already measures you can take out there to restrict your children from accessing these sort of websites as I've said.

The censorship is completely unnecessary and unfortunately a huge step backwards for Australia :(
evlPanda
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19 Dec 2009 6:49pm
myusernam said...
It's simply too easy to google something and get the wrong result. e.g. case donovan big fat chick on australian idol

... yada yada yada ...


It's simply too easy to turn on Google's search filtering:
support.google.com/websearch/?visit_id=637202962123099733-1512730878&hl=en&rd=2#topic=3036131

as a start.

And if you were a child would you lookup child porn? I don't get that angle at all, what kid looks up child porn? "We have to protect our children from child porn". WTF?
nebbian
nebbian
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19 Dec 2009 7:42pm
Google isn't too happy with the proposal:

www.abc.net.au/news/2009-12-16/computer-says-no-google-slams-filter/1180770
kiteboy dave
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19 Dec 2009 11:11pm
myusernam said...
bring on the filtering I say...
The asian countries can have the gaming industry - why compete with the huge bunch of game nerds to the north when our kids should be in the great outdoors. they dont have an outdoors, just a tiny apartment and an internet connection= What about the online porn industry? It's worth lots too. Some industries aren't worth worrying about.

I shudder to think what would happen if my kids saw some of the crap I've seen on the internet....

Proxy sites and you can get around it sure but it's designed to save the innocent, not the savvy who are intent on viewing.

It's simply too easy to google something and get the wrong result. e.g. case donovan big fat chick on australian idol. Idol presenters told the (predominatly adolescent audience) to go to www.caseydonovan.com and neglected to ad the .au. caseydonovan.com.au is just fine....but caseydonovan.com belongs to casey donovan the US gay pornstar who does all sorts of stuff to his bunghole. Thousands of teenagers visited the gay porn site!

Plenty of other inadvertant searches end up in filth...just try googling BBC (used to be short for british broadcasting corporation) before the internet! or go looking for a nice creampie recipie and see what you end up with. not to mention the bme pain olympics, mr hands, 2guys1cup etc. no one needs to see that stuff.

Never before has porn been so accessable....I wonder if it will lead to an increase in social issues. previously to access this sort of material you had to go and find and pay for it, and acess was restricted by convenience and cost. Now you can access new stuff every night. The NT has already restricted not only alchohol but also pornogrophy in it's aboriginal communities due to social issues.


Possibly you're trolling? Look at the message from the guy with the dirtiest avatar pic on the whole forum (not that I'm complaining..) Anyway I'll bite..

Porn has always been accessible... what 12yr old boy didn't get hold of some old copy of playboy or penthouse.. or picture magazine if you were really doing it tough. It didn't harm us.

Stuff all aussie gamers coz kids shouldn't be doing that anyway? Lamo arguement there. There's room for both in a balanced life. A perfect work day for me is work 6-2:30, kite till 5ish, Call of duty multiplayer till the wife gets home 6:30ish, then some (downloaded) tv with dinner then early to bed.

I would possibly be more concerned about my kids being into lameass manufactured pop freaks than seeing gay porn. Anyway have you seen sat morning tv lately ? Telling me that's not porn? Anyway, as the others have said safe search + net nanny + lounge room computer = no probs.

Proxy sites only for 'naughty' people? The kids you're trying to protect are their biggest users. They are the most savvy computer users. Kids use proxies routinely to get to facespace etc from school, library, etc.

Anyway... you and most censorship supporters are missing the point. This filter will only stop RC material. That is material that has been Refused Classification. That means a site has to be assessed by the classification board before it is blocked. THERE ARE 10 TRILLION WEB ADDRESSES. FOR EVERY ONE THE BOARD LOOKS AT THERE WILL BE LITERALLY 10,000 NEW PORN RELATED ADDRESSES CREATED. THIS PLAN WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXCEPT SLOW EVERYTHING DOWN!

This is a monumental waste of time and money in an effort to be seen to be doing something.

Grrrr. Rant over, feeling better now. Thanks mun.
PS... It's 2girls1cup.

kiteboy dave
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20 Dec 2009 12:16pm

Conroy plans speed humps for Australia's freeways

In an ambitious plan to protect Australia's children, Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has announced plans to install speed humps every 100 metres on all Australian freeways.

After a 12 month trial of speed humps in several suburban back streets, Senator Conroy says he is confident that placing speed humps on every Australian freeway will reduce accidents by 100 percent with a "negligible" impact on traffic congestion and travel times.

"Australia's roads are a dangerous place for children, so the Rudd government is doing everything it can to protect people," says Senator Conroy. "A vocal minority of drivers may object to the plan, but the moral majority can see that it's the right thing to do. Anyone who objects to the mandatory speed hump plan obviously hates children".

Senator Conroy also released a traffic management report which appears to support his claims of reducing accidents by 100 percent with a "negligible" impact on traffic congestion. Unfortunately the report was only conducted in suburban back streets. The report concedes that once mandatory speed humps are applied to 100 kph freeways, one in five accidents will still occur. The report also concedes that dangerous drivers who are most likely to speed will easily find ways around the speed humps.

The wording of the mandatory speed hump plan leaves scope for it to be expanded beyond the freeways, although there are few details available. Senator Conroy claims the plan will only be applied to areas which have been "refused classification". Supporters of the speed hump plan have already called for it to be expanded to include roads outside casinos, gay bars, adult book stores and some medical clinics.

Traffic management specialists, transport groups, car manufacturers, road builders and motoring associations have all condemned the mandatory speed hump plan as flawed, unworkable, easily bypassed, politically motivated and open to abuse.

Senator Conroy's heart may be in the right place, but he clearly has "no understanding of how roads work," says Australian Motoring Association spokeswoman Shirley Knott.

"The mandatory speed hump plan will strangle the road network for the entire country, while doing little to stop people who are doing the wrong thing. Rather than waste millions of dollars on a project that will cripple our transport system while not actually achieving its goals, we recommend the government listen to the traffic management specialists and invest the money in education campaigns and better policing," says Ms Knott.

"Of more concern than traffic jams is that the mandatory speed hump plan is veiled in secrecy and open to abuse. Who is to say how future governments may manipulate traffic management to block off streets that it doesn't want the public to see? An open and transparent road system is a cornerstone of democracy, and we don't want to see Australia sliding down the slippery slope towards a police state where the government controls everywhere we go and everything we see."

For more details of opposition to the mandatory speed hump plan, visit nocleanfeed.com.
busterwa
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20 Dec 2009 4:53pm
I shudder to think what would happen if my kids saw some of the crap I've seen on the internet....



I just did a thesis on this and posted 4 videos recently, The videos were no porn but were viewable to a open audience without a classification rating from the website u tube.
One video in particular was a young child getting hit in the head with an out of control airbourne bowling ball, yes very disturbing...
The titled clip was called "WHY YOU DON'T JUGGLE BOWLING BALLS"
The response that was given back in the way of feedback was not positive.
U tube (an example) is owned by Google although there is filtering for children (crap)
Stated that it does not want to take responsibility for internet censorship.

If anyone viewed that series of videos that was recently posted they would support internet censorship.
They would also understand why the government is try toi clean this up.
I dont think that the online gaming comunity will suffer as the ports used with be non filtered.

proxy servers have been used by online gamers for a long time. people who continually get ip banned from online servers just simply click on "CHANGE IDENTITY"
to rejoin.
By clicking this you relay a false ip address via the proxy server You can choose which counrty and ip address you want to use as a relay.

the downside to proxies is that hackers and pedofiles and people of criminal origins use it to hide there locations.
evlPanda
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21 Dec 2009 12:14pm
myusernam
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21 Dec 2009 11:45am
kiteboy dave said...

myusernam said...
bring on the filtering I say...
The asian countries can have the gaming industry - why compete with the huge bunch of game nerds to the north when our kids should be in the great outdoors. they dont have an outdoors, just a tiny apartment and an internet connection= What about the online porn industry? It's worth lots too. Some industries aren't worth worrying about.

I shudder to think what would happen if my kids saw some of the crap I've seen on the internet....

Proxy sites and you can get around it sure but it's designed to save the innocent, not the savvy who are intent on viewing.

It's simply too easy to google something and get the wrong result. e.g. case donovan big fat chick on australian idol. Idol presenters told the (predominatly adolescent audience) to go to www.caseydonovan.com and neglected to ad the .au. caseydonovan.com.au is just fine....but caseydonovan.com belongs to casey donovan the US gay pornstar who does all sorts of stuff to his bunghole. Thousands of teenagers visited the gay porn site!

Plenty of other inadvertant searches end up in filth...just try googling BBC (used to be short for british broadcasting corporation) before the internet! or go looking for a nice creampie recipie and see what you end up with. not to mention the bme pain olympics, mr hands, 2guys1cup etc. no one needs to see that stuff.

Never before has porn been so accessable....I wonder if it will lead to an increase in social issues. previously to access this sort of material you had to go and find and pay for it, and acess was restricted by convenience and cost. Now you can access new stuff every night. The NT has already restricted not only alchohol but also pornogrophy in it's aboriginal communities due to social issues.


Possibly you're trolling? Look at the message from the guy with the dirtiest avatar pic on the whole forum (not that I'm complaining..) Anyway I'll bite..

Porn has always been accessible... what 12yr old boy didn't get hold of some old copy of playboy or penthouse.. or picture magazine if you were really doing it tough. It didn't harm us.

Stuff all aussie gamers coz kids shouldn't be doing that anyway? Lamo arguement there. There's room for both in a balanced life. A perfect work day for me is work 6-2:30, kite till 5ish, Call of duty multiplayer till the wife gets home 6:30ish, then some (downloaded) tv with dinner then early to bed.

I would possibly be more concerned about my kids being into lameass manufactured pop freaks than seeing gay porn. Anyway have you seen sat morning tv lately ? Telling me that's not porn? Anyway, as the others have said safe search + net nanny + lounge room computer = no probs.

Proxy sites only for 'naughty' people? The kids you're trying to protect are their biggest users. They are the most savvy computer users. Kids use proxies routinely to get to facespace etc from school, library, etc.

Anyway... you and most censorship supporters are missing the point. This filter will only stop RC material. That is material that has been Refused Classification. That means a site has to be assessed by the classification board before it is blocked. THERE ARE 10 TRILLION WEB ADDRESSES. FOR EVERY ONE THE BOARD LOOKS AT THERE WILL BE LITERALLY 10,000 NEW PORN RELATED ADDRESSES CREATED. THIS PLAN WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXCEPT SLOW EVERYTHING DOWN!

This is a monumental waste of time and money in an effort to be seen to be doing something.

Grrrr. Rant over, feeling better now. Thanks mun.
PS... It's 2girls1cup.


no, that vide is lame chocolate mousse. not the real thing. the two guys one is much worse but dont watch it. - some guy applies a torniquet and then chops of his nuts and holds them up for the camera. there are loads of these things on the net!. i Was pissed when i wrote my post but what i was getting at was the amount of easily accessable super hardcore stuff out there.

I do believe that it should begin at home and there is a lot of common sense in the posts...but I think if the government helps out by providing free filtering for those that choose to have it applied to their connection then I can't see the harm in it.

the rest of what i wrote was probably rubbish but i couldn't be arsed reading my post again

abeachsw
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21 Dec 2009 2:23pm
myusernam said...

bring on the filtering I say...
The asian countries can have the gaming industry - why compete with the huge bunch of game nerds to the north when our kids should be in the great outdoors. they dont have an outdoors, just a tiny apartment and an internet connection= What about the online porn industry? It's worth lots too. Some industries aren't worth worrying about.

I shudder to think what would happen if my kids saw some of the crap I've seen on the internet....

Proxy sites and you can get around it sure but it's designed to save the innocent, not the savvy who are intent on viewing.

It's simply too easy to google something and get the wrong result. e.g. case donovan big fat chick on australian idol. Idol presenters told the (predominatly adolescent audience) to go to www.caseydonovan.com and neglected to ad the .au. caseydonovan.com.au is just fine....but caseydonovan.com belongs to casey donovan the US gay pornstar who does all sorts of stuff to his bunghole. Thousands of teenagers visited the gay porn site!

Plenty of other inadvertant searches end up in filth...just try googling BBC (used to be short for british broadcasting corporation) before the internet! or go looking for a nice creampie recipie and see what you end up with. not to mention the bme pain olympics, mr hands, 2guys1cup etc. no one needs to see that stuff.

Never before has porn been so accessable....I wonder if it will lead to an increase in social issues. previously to access this sort of material you had to go and find and pay for it, and acess was restricted by convenience and cost. Now you can access new stuff every night. The NT has already restricted not only alchohol but also pornogrophy in it's aboriginal communities due to social issues.




This is why it will happen... Conroy and Krudd and cronies rely on people like yourself who just simply don't understand how and why it (doesn't) works... Yes, people can get around anything, and this 'solution' is very easy to subvert. Thats not the point tho....

It is not there to rid the net of p0rn, it's a black list of things that our overlords deem 'bad'. There is no transparency, and no (easy) way of telling what they are going to ban. In the trail, an anti-abortion website, a qld dentist website, and legal soft-pr0n were caught up in the black list - how???? - It's an amazing liberty with our liberties....

Free speech issues aside, this 'solution' simply misses the problems...

Firstly, 'bad' content is not downloaded through websites - P2P technologies are way more efficient.
Secondly, it encourages people to move to fully encrypted and distributed connections, making it very hard to catch those who download, sell and re-distribute the bad stuff (child pr0n).
Thirdly, as mentioned in my previous post... Your ISP is due to be responsible for what you download.... Those consequences are massive
Fourthly, the filter is based on yesterday's technologies. Contemporary and research level technologies (for tomorrow) make the filtering even less capable of working. Which is going to take priority in new projects such as the NBN? - Filtering or implementing new technologies?

In someways, we should be grateful that our master and moral overlord Conroy is so useless at his job, because in 5 years time the filter will be irrelevant through either general use of proxies or outdated technologies....

The only people who will be affected by this filter will be those who only use the Internet for email and a small amount of surfing their family pictures. But then, these are the types of people who will only every use Telstra for everything because they are too lazy/stupid to understand the technologies they are using, so they deserve it...



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